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Sep 12 2021 08:31am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 12 2021 10:27am)
Most of the shortages we're seeing is in low skill level jobs in businesses which don't have big margins to begin with. A restaurant owner can't afford to go from paying people 15 bucks and hour to 25 bucks an hour because that would literally wipe out all of his margin.

People are ignorantly pretending that if people were paid more than this problem wouldn't exist. It would though, because the employer to stay in business would have to raise goods prices to offset the increase in labor costs. So what happens when all cooks and delivery drivers are making 25 bucks an hour? Well everyone is now paying 20 dollars for a burger and fries when they were paying 12 a year or two ago, so we're at square one of the cycle with low skilled labor needing now 30 bucks an hour for a 'living wage'. Rinse and repeat.


I'm not paying $20 for a burger lmfao those cunts can go out of business
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Sep 12 2021 08:59am
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Most of the shortages we're seeing is in low skill level jobs in businesses which don't have big margins to begin with. A restaurant owner can't afford to go from paying people 15 bucks and hour to 25 bucks an hour because that would literally wipe out all of his margin.

People are ignorantly pretending that if people were paid more than this problem wouldn't exist. It would though, because the employer to stay in business would have to raise goods prices to offset the increase in labor costs. So what happens when all cooks and delivery drivers are making 25 bucks an hour? Well everyone is now paying 20 dollars for a burger and fries when they were paying 12 a year or two ago, so we're at square one of the cycle with low skilled labor needing now 30 bucks an hour for a 'living wage'. Rinse and repeat.

What no one is talking about is what's happening now is totally fucking both the old people and the young people. The old, which just retired or are going to retire very shortly are getting their savings killed because of loss of purchasing power due to inflation, the young because to service this debt is going to damage growth in the future decades. If you're like 60 and have a relatively small nest egg which you thought might get you to 85-90, you may be in for a rude awakening in your high 70s because thanks to government 'help' your purchasing power has been wiped out.


The prices of certain services from sectors with a shortage of workers going up does not automatically mean that prices will go up across the board. It only means that some underpaid folks like burger flippers and delivery guys will improve their relative position and that some businesses which were overreliant on cheap labor go out of business.

You're making it sound as if huge unions which represent 40% of the entire labor market just signed a collective bargaining agreement which raises wages by 10% per year... that kind of situation will spill over into all other sectors of the economy and trigger broad inflation. Some burger flippers and box pushers won't. If there is a long-term inflation risk, it's coming from reckless government spending, not from some long overdue wage gains.

Also, we have no idea how long this squeeze will last. It might be all over in a few months once covid subsides for good.
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Sep 12 2021 09:08am
Quote (Jupe @ 12 Sep 2021 10:31)
I'm not paying $20 for a burger lmfao those cunts can go out of business




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Sep 12 2021 09:09am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 12 2021 04:02pm)
I dont even think this situation is exclusively due to government handouts and benefits. Sure, this factor plays a role. But to me it seems as if the disruptions associated with covid have created a real squeeze on the labor market for low paying low qualification jobs.

I think employers are just reluctant to do what they didn't need to do for almost 40 years: give girthy pay raises to employees which ostensibly seem easily replaceable. I'm not talking about the puny pay raises of the past which barely covered the ongoing inflation, I'm talking about pay raises which actually give them a bigger share of the pie and cut into the capital side's bottom line.


not exclusively, but its the main reason and while i agree that wages for a lot of people were too low, many go to the other extreme and think they are engineers

a lot of businesses cant keep up with joe throwing generous handouts at everyone straight from the money printer

right now the states have the ultimate recipe for disaster
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Sep 12 2021 09:14am
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unironically accurate
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Sep 12 2021 09:18am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 12 2021 10:27pm)
Most of the shortages we're seeing is in low skill level jobs in businesses which don't have big margins to begin with. A restaurant owner can't afford to go from paying people 15 bucks and hour to 25 bucks an hour because that would literally wipe out all of his margin.

People are ignorantly pretending that if people were paid more than this problem wouldn't exist. It would though, because the employer to stay in business would have to raise goods prices to offset the increase in labor costs. So what happens when all cooks and delivery drivers are making 25 bucks an hour? Well everyone is now paying 20 dollars for a burger and fries when they were paying 12 a year or two ago, so we're at square one of the cycle with low skilled labor needing now 30 bucks an hour for a 'living wage'. Rinse and repeat.

What no one is talking about is what's happening now is totally fucking both the old people and the young people. The old, which just retired or are going to retire very shortly are getting their savings killed because of loss of purchasing power due to inflation, the young because to service this debt is going to damage growth in the future decades. If you're like 60 and have a relatively small nest egg which you thought might get you to 85-90, you may be in for a rude awakening in your high 70s because thanks to government 'help' your purchasing power has been wiped out.


how do you explain the ever increasing income inequality gap? companies such as Walmart and Amazon that make insane bottom lines proportionate to the amount they actually pay their workers/pay their taxes is truly astonishing. these are the vampires that suck all of the blood from the turnips that could be feeding middle income families
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Sep 12 2021 09:34am
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how do you explain the ever increasing income inequality gap? companies such as Walmart and Amazon that make insane bottom lines proportionate to the amount they actually pay their workers/pay their taxes is truly astonishing. these are the vampires that suck all of the blood from the turnips that could be feeding middle income families

those companies were allowed to function basically unhindered since March 2020 whereas most other companies (small biz, mom and pops, smaller chains etc.) were not

the public by-in-large completely supported this. “You dont need to shop local you could kill someone. shop online only”
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Sep 12 2021 09:37am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 12 2021 10:59am)
The prices of certain services from sectors with a shortage of workers going up does not automatically mean that prices will go up across the board. It only means that some underpaid folks like burger flippers and delivery guys will improve their relative position and that some businesses which were overreliant on cheap labor go out of business.

You're making it sound as if huge unions which represent 40% of the entire labor market just signed a collective bargaining agreement which raises wages by 10% per year... that kind of situation will spill over into all other sectors of the economy and trigger broad inflation. Some burger flippers and box pushers won't. If there is a long-term inflation risk, it's coming from reckless government spending, not from some long overdue wage gains.

Also, we have no idea how long this squeeze will last. It might be all over in a few months once covid subsides for good.


You don't need huge unions to be making these decisions for the prices to go up across the board. Around where I live, not even 2-3 years ago people were making like 11-12 bucks an hour at places like McDonalds. Now most fast food places are offering 15+ and struggling to find any one willing to take those jobs. The real min wage around here is around 17-18 nowadays for someone that's not a high schooler. So that's a 25-35% wage increase in a few years and it's not enough. I would be okay if some of these low paid positions received a 20-30% boost to their wage but those companies products prices only slightly went up, but that's not the case. I rarely eat fast food, but I was shocked when I went to McDonalds a few months ago. Meals you could buy for 7-8 bucks are now like 12 bucks. You know who mostly eats at these types of places? Low-Middle class people, so like I said, self cannibalizing inflation that didn't really do much for those people to begin with.

The price inflation is the huge driver of why the wage inflation needs to follow. The price inflation is in part caused by massive government interference distorting the market.

Quote (SSBBWGiantessLover @ Sep 12 2021 11:18am)
how do you explain the ever increasing income inequality gap? companies such as Walmart and Amazon that make insane bottom lines proportionate to the amount they actually pay their workers/pay their taxes is truly astonishing. these are the vampires that suck all of the blood from the turnips that could be feeding middle income families


Raising prices on burgers and gasoline is not something the ultra rich are worried about. Those are poor people problems. You want to help with inequality? Have big tech pay more in taxes. Those are the winners of the last 10 years who are raking in tens of billions in profits while government action has only served to kill off small businesses.




This post was edited by ofthevoid on Sep 12 2021 09:44am
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Sep 12 2021 09:38am
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those companies were allowed to function basically unhindered since March 2020 whereas most other companies (small biz, mom and pops, smaller chains etc.) were not

the public by-in-large completely supported this. “You dont need to shop local you could kill someone. shop online only”


Walmart and Costco had the same business model for many years before covid. Somehow Costco was able to pay its employees on average $7 more per hour, probably because their executives are not blood sucking leeches like at Walmart.
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Sep 12 2021 09:40am
Quote (SSBBWGiantessLover @ Sep 12 2021 10:38am)
Walmart and Costco had the same business model for many years before covid. Somehow Costco was able to pay its employees on average $7 more per hour, probably because their executives are not blood sucking leeches like at Walmart.


Wal-Mart could add 40k to every employees salary and would still be profitable.
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