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#21
Aug 16 2021 03:46am
Quote (Kayeto @ 16 Aug 2021 09:15)
China is the big winner here right? The US is out of their backyard.


no because it's an embarrassing backyard.
funny thing is if some day china does something here, americans would give money or weapons to talibans (they already did in the past btw)
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Aug 16 2021 03:47am
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...and what the Taliban does in the Taliban's country with small arms is NMFP.


Yeah those small arms and armor we funneled to the Taliban in the 90's and Iraq in the 00's never came back to bite us in the ass did they
Ron Paul isn't about to be elected president and the US isn't going to declare 200 years of Sakoku. This is one more easily foreseeable problem that's going to fuel the next middle eastern conflict, even if its not in Afghanistan.
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Aug 16 2021 03:50am

https://twitter.com/AsvakaNews/status/1427181300054515730

Holy shit

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Aug 16 2021 03:50am
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I suspect a president like Trump would have reacted by sending back some soldiers, this is where Biden is wrong; seems only few soldiers were necessary to maintain the non-total domination from talibans high crew..



This is a typical side effect of pard addiction on the brain.


No its common sense.
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Aug 16 2021 03:51am
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No its common sense.


I was right
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Aug 16 2021 03:53am
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I was right


90% of the taliban leadership will be in the palace in Kabul celebrating right this second.
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#27
Aug 16 2021 03:56am
A few things:

- people saying this situation was inevitable whenever America withdrew are wrong... it clearly could've been managed better, particularly pulling out our people and Afghan allies before the Taliban were in Kabul
- in a way, the epic failure of the Afghan army supports Biden's decision to leave
- politically, I don't think this matters much, because Americans don't want to be there. What's the line on a debate stage? "You did a crappy job bringing home our troops from a 20 year war, you should've brought over more darkies that helped us". Nah, that's not a talking point that works for Trump or DeSantis. At the end of the day Biden ended the war.

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Aug 16 2021 03:58am
Quote (thundercock @ 16 Aug 2021 07:46)
We don't know the outcome yet. The Taliban could go on a crazy revenge spree and start mass executions. If the Taliban showed their hand and acted like ISIS back in April, I'm pretty sure we would have done something about it. So far, it's been relatively bloodless and that's a good thing.

As for mismanagement, there's no question about it. Prior to even ANNOUNCING our withdrawal, we should have had procedures to expedite interpreters and other targets (and even if we did have that, it should have been better). In addition, we should have talked with other countries so that we could keep people there temporarily in case they didn't have all the documentation ready. Handing over billions of dollars of equipment was inevitable because you have to give the Afghan government the ABILITY to defeat the Taliban.

We'll see what happens. The world is watching and if I were them I'd implement some tiny reforms so that they can say "hey, we're better than we were 20 years ago!" As long as they don't allow terrorists to train in their country and export them, the world will recognize them as a legitimate government.


they are already executing people, just not those you care about. do i think it would have been any different with western troops leaving at any other point? nah, but that doesn't mean it's not a tragedy for the afghan people, and another textbook example of failed US "nationbuilding".

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Aug 16 2021 04:03am
Quote (IceMage @ Aug 16 2021 04:56am)
A few things:

- people saying this situation was inevitable whenever America withdrew are wrong... it clearly could've been managed better, particularly pulling out our people and Afghan allies before the Taliban were in Kabul
- in a way, the epic failure of the Afghan army supports Biden's decision to leave
- politically, I don't think this matters much, because Americans don't want to be there. What's the line on a debate stage? "You did a crappy job bringing home our troops from a 20 year war, you should've brought over more darkies that helped us". Nah, that's not a talking point that works for Trump or DeSantis. At the end of the day Biden ended the war.


The Taliban taking control when the US left was inevitable. Everything else wasn't. We could have easily staged a clean exit, disarmed the ANA, withdrew westerners in an orderly fashion and closed up shop before the Taliban arrived at Kabul.
There was never any plausible scenario that resembled the fiction we kept being sold, that the ANA would somehow hold the Taliban in check and Afghan government would continue to exist. None of that made a lick of sense and we knew it.
The takeaway won't be a politician ending a bitter war, it will be a commander fucking up a retreat in an embarrassing rout. It was an exit without a strategy, a complete and utter failure of leadership.

2022 won't be a debate stage, it will be this footage played on every TV in America during ad time.
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Aug 16 2021 04:05am
Quote (IceMage @ 16 Aug 2021 11:56)
A few things:

- people saying this situation was inevitable whenever America withdrew are wrong... it clearly could've been managed better, particularly pulling out our people and Afghan allies before the Taliban were in Kabul
- in a way, the epic failure of the Afghan army supports Biden's decision to leave
- politically, I don't think this matters much, because Americans don't want to be there. What's the line on a debate stage? "You did a crappy job bringing home our troops from a 20 year war, you should've brought over more darkies that helped us". Nah, that's not a talking point that works for Trump or DeSantis. At the end of the day Biden ended the war.


i agree that it objectively should not be a good topic for republicans of all people to bring up, but i think you're severely underestimating the simplicity of the american voter and media (they never get to the second part), and the power of images.
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