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#21
Jul 6 2021 09:58pm
Quote (GameCrazy9000 @ Jul 7 2021 04:48am)
If there's no truth but just perspective, does the world still exist if you stop perceiving?


No, it doesn't exist if you are not here to perceive it.

Quote (GameCrazy9000 @ Jul 7 2021 04:47am)
The objects held to be true are not The Truth. Just to differentiate for the topic...

The Truth, that which is an objective truth, must be true for everyone and at all times.


Please give me an example of the objective truth -- without holding on to some underlying moral belief system that is cultural and only exists as the "truth" for us, that was true 1000 years ago and will hold true for another 1000 years.
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#22
Jul 6 2021 09:58pm
Perhaps....

In Truth, what you give value is what provides you meaning.

For example, think of an apple. Your body consumes calories to process and give value to what is an apple... it is red, green, round, etc... and in exchange provides the meaning of what is an apple. The Truth of an apple.

Now take the combination of everything you give value in life and that's what provides you meaning.
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Jul 6 2021 10:00pm
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No, it doesn't exist if you are not here to perceive it.



Please give me an example of the objective truth -- without holding on to some underlying moral belief system that is cultural and only exists as the "truth" for us, that was true 1000 years ago and will hold true for another 1000 years.


I already gave some examples in this thread, you are free to refute it.

I respect your opinion on the perception, I view it a bit different. Perception is our reality but is it The Reality?
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#24
Jul 6 2021 10:02pm
Can't remember where I saw it, possibly a documentary but, there is a theory that what we see isn't what reality actually looks like and that our subconscious or possibly the limbic system determined long ago that not only was visual truth not required for survival but it could also be a detriment to it. So we "created" a new visual reality that better served our survival.
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#25
Jul 6 2021 10:02pm
Quote (Prospectz @ Jul 6 2021 08:45pm)
There is no truth, there is just perspective. We have far too many cognitive biases for any form of literal truth to exist. The best way we have is the stories we tell ourselves to make sense of the world.


There is truth, there is perspective, there is bias that clouds truth & perspective.

Let he who hath wisdom calculate:

https://ibb.co/X7R3QMs


The government according to profits is lying. The holy ghost & wisdom according to prophets is revealing.

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Jul 6 2021 10:10pm
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I already gave some examples in this thread, you are free to refute it.

I respect your opinion on the perception, I view it a bit different. Perception is our reality but is it The Reality?


Can you please define "The Reality?" And how does the truth and reality differ, or are they the same?

Let's take a look at your "examples of the truth" that you've explained through this thread.


Quote (GameCrazy9000 @ Jul 7 2021 04:21am)
If someone finds the vaccine to be true:

there are opposites: there's the person. there's the vaccine. but there's no opposition.

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But if there is opposition, it doesn't matter what you tell the person. There's no truth in it for them.


Doesn't that tell you that life is perspective?

Quote (GameCrazy9000 @ Jul 7 2021 04:05am)
Here's one:

In truth, there are opposites but no opposition.


Those are just words. There are opposites but no opposition? Can you give me an example of where this logic would apply?

Quote (GameCrazy9000 @ Jul 7 2021 04:33am)
Perhaps... the Truth is God?


God is a manmade construct based on our understanding and interpretation of our experience.

Quote (GameCrazy9000 @ Jul 7 2021 04:43am)
There is truth and there is The Truth.

Perhaps I am truth? For I am just a combination of everything I hold true.

But I am not The Truth.

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In the same framework:

I am 27 but I am not the 27. While being 27 is a part of who I am now, I am not the number 27 itself.


Being '27' means nothing when you take away the constructs we use to define reality -- the calendar, the mathematical system, the language we use -- they are all manmade constructs that help us understand our reality and survive. What does that have to do with any objective 'truth'?

We have perception, no reality. We then seek information to confirm our BELIEF.
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Jul 6 2021 10:21pm
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Can you please define "The Reality?" And how does the truth and reality differ, or are they the same?

Let's take a look at your "examples of the truth" that you've explained through this thread.




Doesn't that tell you that life is perspective?



Those are just words. There are opposites but no opposition? Can you give me an example of where this logic would apply?



God is a manmade construct based on our understanding and interpretation of our experience.



Being '27' means nothing when you take away the constructs we use to define reality -- the calendar, the mathematical system, the language we use -- they are all manmade constructs that help us understand our reality and survive. What does that have to do with any objective 'truth'?

We have perception, no reality. We then seek information to confirm our BELIEF.


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I would define Reality as everything that exists without "me" - that in which I identify with... my body/mind.

It's easy to get lost in the language and maybe there's no truth in the language or the constructs, but what it is pointing to ... perhaps that's reality?

This post was edited by GameCrazy9000 on Jul 6 2021 10:23pm
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Jul 6 2021 10:24pm
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I would define Reality as everything that exists without "me" - that in which I identify with... my body/mind.

It's easy to get lost in the language and maybe there's no truth in the language or the constructs, but what it is pointing to ... perhaps that's reality?


Perhaps it is reality --- but it is certainly not "the truth."
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#29
Jul 6 2021 10:32pm
Quote (Prospectz @ Jul 6 2021 11:24pm)
Perhaps it is reality --- but it is certainly not "the truth."


The Truth is objective but the medium in which it's experienced (the body, the mind) is subjective.
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Jul 6 2021 10:33pm
Quote (GameCrazy9000 @ Jul 7 2021 05:32am)
The Truth is objective but the medium in which it's experienced (the body, the mind) is subjective.


Is there any examples you have, or do you just enjoy the linguistics of this? :P
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