Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 24 2021 10:49am)

It's a pretty simple explanation, socialism doesnt work in poor countries, only capitalism works to rise them from their mud hovels. socialism doesnt even work in middling economy countries, it stifles progress. it only works in places that can take a hit economically at the expense of raised quality of living for the individual. but still needs to be managed carefully to maintain a capitalism backbone for the general economy. it works fine in rich european nations, corporate centralized wealth at the expense of 1st world citizens isn't a sustainable system. as the american people found out during the pandemic when corporations revealed that even a 2 week shutdown would bankrupt many of them so they required bailouts. meanwhile the european nations that have socialist policies did relatively fine. their economies tanked just as ours did, but they maintained just fine. even with hordes of scary muslim invaders already drawing large amounts from the pool of social benefits. profit maximization has its benefits, but during strife it's a gun in the mouth of the country. the fact that american corporations dont have cash reserves to even ride out 1 month of a shutdown, let alone 2 weeks, should be a wake up call to all americans.

Quote (Duckling @ Jun 24 2021 10:36am)

So, socialism doesn’t work unless you have a bunch of productive and rich people to take wealth from to give it to people who have not contributed to the production and wealth, when capitalism affords every opportunity that do so. Got it.

Also, kek is all I got to say for your pale pasty privileged self to basically shame small companies for not being corporate monarchies and be able to survive a complete economic shutdown. It’s almost as if, America has lots its moral framework

Quote (fender @ Jun 24 2021 11:54am)

critically corrupt and short sighted government doesn't diversify its economy, stops saving revenues, oil prices plummet, oil-dependent economy crumbles, unpopular authoritarian leader rigs the political system and economy, leading to hyper-inflation and the elimination of political opposition, establishing a de facto dictatorship.

american right wing brainlets: "that's socialism. you can't have universal healthcare and affordable college, or we'll turn into venezuela."

holy shit, decades of red scare and brainwashing really did a number on you guys...

Quote (fender @ Jun 24 2021 05:54pm)

critically corrupt and short sighted government doesn't diversify its economy, stops saving revenues, oil prices plummet, oil-dependent economy crumbles, unpopular authoritarian leader rigs the political system and economy, leading to hyper-inflation and the elimination of political opposition, establishing a de facto dictatorship.

american right wing brainlets: "that's socialism. you can't have universal healthcare and affordable college, or we'll turn into venezuela."

holy shit, decades of red scare and brainwashing really did a number on you guys...

Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 24 Jun 2021 18:45)

oh look, the defender of socialism is here and brings up some totally irrelevant stuff to attack non socialists

but at least you wont have to wait long since germany will look just like venezuela soon enough

enjoy

Quote (duffman316 @ Jun 24 2021 11:24am)

From what I've seen every socialist leader becomes an authoritarian tyrant who stifles free speech and criticism of the govt and ruling party. This happens irrespective of their economic policies. Castro, jinping, stalin, kim, pol pot as well as this maduro and chavez thing in venezuela. Its always the same outcome.

Can you name a socialist regime that didn't turn out this way?
Socialist ideas aren't bad in bits and pieces but consolidating total control over an entire country into the hands of a select few people under the guise of representing the people will always end badly for the citizens of that country.

On a side note have you ever lived in a neighborhood that has an hoa?

Quote (thesnipa @ 24 Jun 2021 17:39)

wrong on both accounts. socialism works if u take money from corporations, not rich people. and it doesnt work if u take a stifling amount. its a small tweek over time that builds a cash reserve, rather than america which builds a deficit.

and im not shaming small companies, the corporations who cant withstand a 2 week shutdown are the large corporations who pay excess profits to CEOS, stock dividends, and boards. that never bothered to build cash reserves. not all of them of course, companies like TESLA built sizeable cash reserve pools to offset downturns.

idk man, maybe read better?

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 24 2021 01:35pm)

obligatory "social democracy, not socialism".

a well-calibrated social safety net makes a society more peaceful, equitable and resilient. and the higher the inherent tendency of an economy to concentrate wealth (read: automation), the higher the level of redistribution which is, or will be, required to keep the balance. this does not, however, mean that public ownership of the means of production (THE defining feature of socialism) is necessary or even recommendable.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 24 2021 02:35pm)

obligatory "social democracy, not socialism".

a well-calibrated social safety net makes a society more peaceful, equitable and resilient. and the higher the inherent tendency of an economy to concentrate wealth (read: automation), the higher the level of redistribution which is, or will be, required to keep the balance. this does not, however, mean that public ownership of the means of production (THE defining feature of socialism) is necessary or even recommendable.