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Apr 7 2021 07:48am
Quote (fender @ Apr 7 2021 09:36am)
i love how you completely dodge my question and my main point that people having to wait in line to vote being "bribed" by snacks or a bottle of water is NOT an actual problem that exists, but an obvious attempt to inconvenience and dissuade voters, only to pivot into some completely irrelevant tangent about how "people used to die for democracy", as if that somehow makes the deliberate strategies by republicans to suppress votes less shitty and fundamentally unamerican.

same as that lazy ID talking point. the simple fact is that it disproportionally disenfranchises poor and minority communities. 11% of american voters don't have a photo ID - 8% of white and 25% of black voters don't - and republicans not only know that, they even admitted to their real goals (voter suppression, predominantly of minorities) on the record.

IF they were in favour of issuing free photo ID for every citizen BEFORE requiring it to vote, it'd be a different story for me, but that'd defeat the actual purpose of voter ID laws, so naturally most republicans oppose that. and again, cases of actual voter fraud are incredibly rare, so the whole effort of crafting a shitton of legislation to address a non-issue can easily be identified as what it really is by every rational thinking human being: blatant voter suppression.


Anti-electioneering laws are on the books in many states. So yes, having one party show up and give free food, drinks, or anything else of value would be offsides. You say that no one is being bribed, but then go on to assert that people are actually voting more as a result of this behavior. You have contradicted yourself.

Voter ID laws are common sense. Most developed (and underdeveloped) nations have already taken the incredibly normal step of ensuring that voters are who they say they are. A vast majority of Americans support voter ID in order to vote. They understand that they need a valid ID to do just about everything else, and voting is far more important than those things.

Whether or not Democrats oppose these measures because they think it harms them, or Republicans support them because they think it helps them, they're uncontroversial, common-sense measures which have been implemented in a myriad of other blue states, along with many other democratic countries.
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Anti-electioneering laws are on the books in many states. So yes, having one party show up and give free food, drinks, or anything else of value would be offsides. You say that no one is being bribed, but then go on to assert that people are actually voting more as a result of this behavior. You have contradicted yourself.

Voter ID laws are common sense. Most developed (and underdeveloped) nations have already taken the incredibly normal step of ensuring that voters are who they say they are. A vast majority of Americans support voter ID in order to vote. They understand that they need a valid ID to do just about everything else, and voting is far more important than those things.

Whether or not Democrats oppose these measures because they think it harms them, or Republicans support them because they think it helps them, they're uncontroversial, common-sense measures which have been implemented in a myriad of other blue states, along with many other democratic countries.


i love how all the republican shills, trying to rationalise a blatant voter disenfranchisement campaign, refuse to address the core points of my posts, and have to pivot to other narratives.

it's simply a FACT that voter ID laws would disproportionally hurt poor and minority voters - as intended. it's also a FACT that voter fraud that could be prevented by ID laws (voter impersonation) is basically non-existent. only 31 cases in a billion votes cast between 2000 and 2014. how could anyone without partisan motives possibly justify the disenfranchisement of millions in order to 'address' that non-issue?
it's so transparent... nothing about that is "uncontroversial" or "common sense". again, it's a FACT that 25% of black voters do NOT have a government-issued photo-ID - so the comparison with countries where basically 100% of eligible voters have an ID, where it's affordable (or paid for by the government if you're poor) and easy to obtain one, is dishonest and stupid. meanwhile in america: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html

just out of curiosity, since i'm sure you consider yourself one of the "good" guys, just really really concerned about the security of your elections, and not at all interested in the partisan motivations of dishonest actors: wouldn't you agree that it'd be important to make sure that laws to "secure" the vote would not by design exclude a significant percentage of the population to participate, and dramatically change the demographic and the outcome of the vote?
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Apr 7 2021 08:43am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 7 2021 03:56am)
You don't know what you're talking about.

The Georgia law is intended to prevent political committees from giving gifts that may sway votes.

Do you want the NRA handing out Gatorade and Pizza to people waiting in line to vote, garnering potential support from voters away from gun control measures, for instance?

Anyone can bring their own food and drinks. The law does not prohibit a person from eating or drinking. Polling places can also be set up with water coolers from the start for "self service".

The intent of the law is exactly the same as every other law that is designed to prevent the "buying of votes". The Biden characterization of the law is nonsensical.

I think a point of greater concern would be why there are such long lines in the first place. When campaign spending for senate races in Georgia alone were in the 9 figures bracket, how and why are there so few polling places, so badly managed, that people end up in lines 2+ hours in the first place?

Since people are so quick to talk about taxes, how about we "tax" 10% of all campaign funds raised from all sources, pour those funds into increasing the number of staffed polling places, and eliminate the lines altogether?


who's the idiot who changes their vote based on a $0.20 water bottle tho?
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Apr 7 2021 08:48am
Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 7 2021 10:43am)
who's the idiot who changes their vote based on a $0.20 water bottle tho?



Acts of kindness go a long way. There are 2nd and 3rd world countries where candidates go around and “gift” bags of rice, school supplies, etc before an election as a precursor of things to come if they are elected. It actually works, poor people love that shit.

A bottle of water doesn’t seem like much but there are subliminal messages being sent such as “we care and they don’t” which to me is enough to sway at least some people that could be fairly indifferent or uneducated on platforms or candidates.
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Apr 7 2021 08:51am
Quote (Skinned @ 7 Apr 2021 09:48)
Sore losers change the rules after losing so less people get to play. Typical authoritarian reich wing trump worshippers.

"Stupid lefties don't think you should have to spend money to access the bill of rights ". Ok cucklord. Cup the heel and gag yourself.

we know you hate minorities and women and think they’re incapable of self-agency.

no need to post your fetish content here, there is a section dedicated for that, wierdo: https://forums.d2jsp.org/forum.php?f=276
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Apr 7 2021 08:52am
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we know you hate minorities and women and think they’re incapable of self-agency.

no need to post your fetish content here, there is a section dedicated for that, wierdo: https://forums.d2jsp.org/forum.php?f=276


Herp a deep. What you sound like.
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Herp a deep. What you sound like.


??? sit this one out junior boomer. little early for you to be so out of it
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Quote (excellence @ Apr 7 2021 10:53am)
??? sit this one out junior boomer. little early for you to be so out of it


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Quote (excellence @ Apr 7 2021 07:51am)
we know you hate minorities and women and think they’re incapable of self-agency.

no need to post your fetish content here, there is a section dedicated for that, wierdo: https://forums.d2jsp.org/forum.php?f=276


yes.. you are right.. Giving people water waiting in line in high heat means you think that person is incapable of self care.. thats EXACTLY what that means..
Don't ever ask for water you mental midget.. somebody might take your voting rights away.

This post was edited by theCrossbones on Apr 7 2021 09:02am
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yes.. you are right.. Giving people water waiting in line in high heat means you think that person is incapable of self care.. thats EXACTLY what that means..
Don't ever ask for water you mental midget.. somebody might take your voting rights away.


Having a waiter means you can't take care of yourself.
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