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Mar 10 2021 02:09pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 10 2021 03:03pm)
Providing an incentive to one is the same as providing a disincentive to the other. Your position is to punish parents who want to spend time with their kids. It's big government molly coddling of families who can't fend for themselves. Believe it or not, there are things to consider besides economics, and part of that is having families raised by families, not by big government funded day cares like you want.


Ive found daycares to be a valuable socialization experience for children that can't be replaced by being raised at home.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Mar 10 2021 02:07pm)
Single parent stay at home are cancer. Dual parent households with a stay at home? Mixed bag, honestly. Some work out incredibly well, others are just cum factories/dumpsters who're a drain on everyone and everything around them. All depends on the specific person you're referring to. Gen X'ers have gone half way to convincing me that stay at home parents are a curse though. Helicopter parents are so disjointed with reality that they're worse for society than homeless children. Seriously, leave the little shit alone long enough that they can skin their knee, eat dirt, and goose a stranger. People aren't born perfect, we learn from mistakes. Your child is not special, they're a fucking child. Let them grow the same way you did or gtfo.


interestingly enough, and anecdotally, my wife has had more problems with 2 parent household stay at home moms than single moms. single stay at home moms tend to be singularly focussed, even if they make their money selling multi level marketing scams on facebook. whereas the leech moms tend to be far more lazy. but again, anecdotal.
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Also i think we can have a productive conversation on this without the insults 🤔
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Quote (thesnipa @ 10 Mar 2021 12:12)
interestingly enough, and anecdotally, my wife has had more problems with 2 parent household stay at home moms than single moms. single stay at home moms tend to be singularly focussed, even if they make their money selling multi level marketing scams on facebook. whereas the leech moms tend to be far more lazy. but again, anecdotal.


I'm sure you've told me before, but what does your wife do again?

And I'm again of a mixed mind regarding the validity of stay at home dual parent households. In some cases, it works out great. In others, not so much. As with anything, that's a case by case study. But this topic isn't about the merits or lack thereof regarding parenting styles, merely around tax policy. You said remove the child tax credit for stay at home. I agree. From a government perspective, we should only be incentivizing that which is economically productive. Professional daycares accomplish far more during early childhood development in both socialization and education than the average stay at home parent. I do not recommend government funding for said daycares or anything along those lines. Competition breeds quality. Instead, as I said, I merely support the idea of providing child tax credits only to parents who work, to both incentivize them to work and to help offset some of their daycare costs. It's a win win, without removing choice.

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Also i think we can have a productive conversation on this without the insults 🤔


My apologies sir.

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Mar 10 2021 02:27pm
Roll all of our welfare programs into UBI.

Progressive taxation where you pay in more at 70k than you receive(on top of current rate). 60% top tax rate capital gains included.

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Mar 10 2021 02:27pm
I don't understand though. How do those advocating for no taxes expect public infrastucture to be built up.

I like roads, I like knowing the police or fire department will come if I call. Do we pay monthly fees to have access to these things? Do we suddenly pay a fee per mile of road driven on monthly.

Who is paying a watchdog or regulator? Looking at American healthcare i certainly wouldn't want 911 services to be 100% privatized. Might charge me 20K per call out.

How do all these things exist with no taxes?

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Quote (duffman316 @ Mar 10 2021 11:59am)
"Suffering and exploitation" is an odd way to look at individuals engaging in mutually beneficial arrangements. The amount wealth someone has is often a reflection of how hard members of their family have worked to improve the standard of living for members of the household. We're all the same in that regard and some are better at it than others.


I can't tell if you're being serious with this post or not.
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Quote (Handcuffs @ Mar 10 2021 03:28pm)
I can't tell if you're being serious with this post or not.


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I don't understand though. How do those advocating for no taxes expect public infrastucture to be built up.

I like roads, I like knowing the police or fire department will come if I call. Do we pay monthly fees to have access to these things? Do we suddenly pay a fee per mile of road driven on monthly.

Who is paying a watchdog or regulator? Looking at American healthcare i certainly wouldn't want 911 services to be 100% privatized. Might charge me 20K per call out.

How do all these things exist with no taxes?


Perhaps I missed something, but who advocated for "no taxes"? The closest would be me, but I never advocated for such. If you tax every transaction by say 10%, and there are 20 trillion worth in transactions, that's 2 trillion in taxes. Top in taxing business zone land and any individual lots over an acre at even the time honored 1-3% property value/year, and you end up with a few trillion more per year.

Also, roads will happen with or without taxes. Companies have a vested interest in insuring that both customers and employees can reach them. Likewise, property owners have a vested interest in making sure they can get to their home. Government doesn't build roads. Ever. Not a single one. Government contracts private companies to build roads. And the inefficiency by which most of those contracts are conducted is staggering. The fact of the matter, specifically in the US, is that roads should never be handled at a federal level. All roads are local, therefore, all roads should be funded at the local level.

Likewise with most emergency services. This is essentially the problem with bloated government. You've forgotten that at the local level, nearly everything you do or do not have by way of taxpayer funding is not due to the federal government, but instead by city/county/state government.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Mar 10 2021 02:19pm)
I'm sure you've told me before, but what does your wife do again?

And I'm again of a mixed mind regarding the validity of stay at home dual parent households. In some cases, it works out great. In others, not so much. As with anything, that's a case by case study. But this topic isn't about the merits or lack thereof regarding parenting styles, merely around tax policy. You said remove the child tax credit for stay at home. I agree. From a government perspective, we should only be incentivizing that which is economically productive. Professional daycares accomplish far more during early childhood development in both socialization and education than the average stay at home parent. I do not recommend government funding for said daycares or anything along those lines. Competition breeds quality. Instead, as I said, I merely support the idea of providing child tax credits only to parents who work, to both incentivize them to work and to help offset some of their daycare costs. It's a win win, without removing choice.



My apologies sir.


3 to 4 year old special education. mainly autistic children with a lower number of kids with physical issues, deafness, blindness, etc. But mostly autistic kids, at an age where they're not legally allowed to diagnose autism, with parents who know this and almost all hold out hope that their kids arent autistic, and then scream at my wife over ZOOM when their kid cant enter normal kindergarten even though they do zero at home.
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