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The President doesn't command the National Guard. Should he have ordered active duty military to the streets?


Thank you, I misspoke.

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Thank you, I misspoke.

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https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000177-6046-de2d-a57f-7a6e8c950000

This was done using exit polling data in 10 battleground states: AZ, FL, GA, IA, MI, NC, OH, PA, TX, and WI.

•Despite turnout for both state groups being MORE GOP in 2020 than 2016, POTUS lost ground in both groups largely due to a massive swing against POTUS among Indies in both state groups and more GOP ‘leakage’ in “Flipped” states.
•Racially, POTUS suffered his greatest erosion with White voters, particularly White Men in both state groups. However, he made double digit gains with Hispanics in both groups, while his performance among Blacks was virtually the same as 2016.
•POTUS lost ground with almost every age group in both state groupings, but he lost the most with voters 18-29 and 65+ in “Flipped” states. Worse was the double-digit erosion he suffered with White College educated voters across the board.
•Voters who did not vote in ’16 but voted in ’20 accounted for roughly 1-in-6 voters and they broke markedly for Biden, especially in the “Flipped” states. 1-in-10 voters say they decided their vote in the final month of the campaign, and contrary to conventional wisdom, they broke in Biden’s favor in both state groups.
•While Biden’s image was underwater in both state groups, POTUS’s was more so in the “Flipped” states, while he was a net positive in the “Held” states.
•VPOTUS held a marked image advantage over Harris in both state groups where his image was net positive. Harris’s image was worse than Biden’s in both state groups.
•While a majority of voters said they didn’t find either Presidential candidate honest or trustworthy, Biden held a double-digit advantage over POTUS, especially in the “Flipped” states.
•POTUS’s overall job approval was mixed with a majority of voters in the “Flipped” states disapproving while voters in the “Held” states were split down the middle. However, POTUS earned negative marks on handling of Coronavirus (CV) in both groups, particularly in flipped states.
•Conversely, Fauci garnered nearly a 3 to 1 positive job approval on handling of CV overall with Fauci detractors voting overwhelmingly for POTUS while Fauci supporters voted for Biden by wide margins, especially in “Flipped” states.
•Coronavirus (CV) was the top issue in both state groups –more so in “Flipped” states –and Biden carried those voters nearly 3 to 1. The economy ranked second and POTUS crushed Biden with those voters by a 6 to 1 or better margin.
•Voters in “Flipped” states somewhat more negative about the economy than in “Held” states, and voters in “Held” states more likely to choose POTUS to handle the economy.
•While majorities of voters in both state groups prioritized stopping the spread of CV over re-opening the economy, the majority was markedly larger in “Flipped” states. And pluralities in both groups picked Biden as best able to handle CV, not surprisingly by a larger margin in the “Flipped” states.
•State groups were split on whether or not CV was under control with a slight majority of “Flipped” state voters saying no and a majority of “Held” saying yes. And voters were highly polarized based on these positions with voters who say it is under control voting overwhelmingly for POTUS and those who say it isn’t voting overwhelmingly for Biden regardless of state group.
•Three-quarters of voters in both state groups favored public mask mandates. Not surprisingly those who opposed them voted overwhelmingly for POTUS with those who favored them supporting Biden, particularly those in the “Flipped” states.
•9-in-10 voters in both groups said that SCOTUS was a factor in deciding their vote. Ironically, those who said it was a factor voted for Biden in both state groups while those who said it wasn’t a factor voted for POTUS by large margins.


Very interesting stuff. I think the bolded points are a manifestation of partisanship, rather than a factor driving it. The coronavirus situation is a multifaceted problem, and imho, it was the most salient issue for almost all these voters. Depending on their partisanship, the perspective from which they approached it differed, with Biden-voters emphasizing the virus-aspect and Trump-voters framing the problem as an economic issue. Likewise, I believe that whether someone considered the virus to be under or out of control was driven by, rather than driving, his partisanship. Objectively, the virus was not under any control anywhere in the country, and there were no significant differences in the degree to which it was out of control between, say, OH/PA or IA/WI.

What's clear form this data is that Trump dropped the ball badly on covid and that this was the most important factor that did him in. Evidence for this is, among others, the fact that 65+ was the age groups where he lost the most ground. Seniors not feeling adequately protected, and their health no in competent hands, seems like the obvious reason. Also, picking a fight with Fauci was a horrible mistake during these times.

Going forward, the quite bad numbers for Harris could become relevant some day. She's very similar to Hillary in that everything she does comes across phony and inauthentic; she has no innate likability. Defeating her in 2024 would presumably be easier for the GOP than defeating Biden.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Feb 3 2021 07:07pm
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the copium, the #alternative facts...

biden lost the white vote by almost 20%, won the black vote by 75%, won the latino vote by more than 30% is now portrayed as "whitey's choice" by trump simps. meanwhile trump won the white nationalist vote by 100%, lol.


Trump lost a huge percentage of white voters. He gained in nearly all other racial demographic, or at least held ground. What does this mean? This means if he hadn't lost such a large margin of the white vote as compared to 2016, he would have won the election.

Your attempt to "spin" actual fact as being somehow false is both stupid and ignorant. Just stop.

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we already knew his behavior in 2020 ended up souring the squishy white karens of all genders, while having little to-no negative effect on any people of color. it's been discussed plenty of times before politico copy-pasted what we already wrote 3 months ago on this very forum into a 'news article'


One interesting data point is that what killed Trump the most, demographically speaking, in 2020 were white college-educated men shifting away from him. The narrative for the past 4 years has always been that Trump was this huge turnoff to suburban/white college-educated women and that this would be his downfall, but that's not how it played out.

According to earlier exit poll data which was released weeks ago on wikipedia (nationwide):
In 2012, Romney won graduates (of all races) with a 4-year degree by 4 points, while losing those with a postgrad degree by 15.
In 2016, Trump lost voters with a 4-year degree by 4 while losing postgrads by 21. He lost white college-educated (BA/MA/PhD) women by 7 and won white college men by 14.
In 2020, Trump again lost voters with a 4-year degree by 4 while losing postgrads by 25. He lost white college women by 9 and won white college men by 3.


So, for those with a 4-year degree, the 2012->2016->2020 trend was R+4 into D+4 into D+4.
For postgrads, it was D+15 into D+21 into D+25.
In both groups, the trend of college people away from Republicans was more pronounced between 2012 and 2016 than between 2016 and 2020.
The shift between the two Trump elections was 2 additional points towards Democrats among white college women, but 11 points among white college men.

So the way I read it, the exodus of persuadable white college women from the GOP had already largely taken place in 2016, while it took white college men another cycle until they broke with him.



Another interesting tidbit are non-white college people: in 2016, Trump lost them by 48, in 2020, he only lost them by 43. Given that college whites moved 7 points against him over this cycle, gaining 5 among college non-whites is actually nothing to sneeze at. It shows that the inroads he made among voters of color in 2020 were not limited to working-class people, which could more easily have been explained away by concerns about reopening the economy or property damage from riots and such.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Feb 3 2021 08:09pm
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I didn't want to create a new thread for this news but this is tangentially related: Liz Cheney keeps her post 145-61.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/03/politics/liz-cheney-house-republican-meeting/index.html
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I didn't want to create a new thread for this news but this is tangentially related: Liz Cheney keeps her post 145-61.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/03/politics/liz-cheney-house-republican-meeting/index.html

yes the warmongering swamp demon wing of the GOP will always protect their own. this isn’t surprising
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Quote (thundercock @ 4 Feb 2021 04:33)
I didn't want to create a new thread for this news but this is tangentially related: Liz Cheney keeps her post 145-61.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/03/politics/liz-cheney-house-republican-meeting/index.html


Probably for the better of the party. I dislike Cheney and what she stands for, and I think she totally deserves to get censured or primaried back at home in Wyoming - but she nonetheless represents one strain of the party, and this strain deserves representation in the party's House caucus. From a philosophical point of view, I believe that it should be up to the GOP voters, not her peers, to decide her political fate. Let's hope they primary the fuck out of her in 2022.

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Quote (thundercock @ Feb 3 2021 10:33pm)
I didn't want to create a new thread for this news but this is tangentially related: Liz Cheney keeps her post 145-61.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/03/politics/liz-cheney-house-republican-meeting/index.html


I wonder what the vote would've been if it wasn't done using secret ballots.
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