Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jan 7 2021 06:59pm)

Left: Government has rights, people do not, beyond what the government grants them. Government has ownership over all.

Right: Individuals have rights, governments exist to serve the individual, and only has those rights the individuals give to them, individuals have ownerships over themselves and their private property.

How many times do I need to repeat this? Fascism is not possible under far right ideals, as the ideals of the far right is that you own your shit (including your own self) and nobody can tell you anything what to do with it. You have beachfront property and want to dump toxic waste in the water? Go ahead! Nobody can stop you. The "far right" at it's most extreme not only denies any form of fascism or communism, they promote active anarchy in favor of absolute personal liberty. The "moderate right", classed as conservatives, believe that while you should have personal rights and personal property rights, they need to be tempered to a point where you cannot actively harm the personal rights of others. They do not believe in an overwhelming government that can dictate anything to them. They believe the government should exist only as a means to ensure mutual defense, insure uninterrupted commerce, and deal with disasters such as fire, and insure that one person doesn't violate the personal and property rights of another person (police).

The moment you say "Far right dictator" you've just shown that you're a horseshoe theorist. Or you simply don't have a clearly defined scale of what right and left really are. In which case your words AND your topic are pointless, and you have such a lack of credibility that you should be laughed out of any conversation you attempt to join. :)

Quote (CiroC @ Jan 7 2021 02:43am)

No one said Far left is good...im just trying to see why aren't we worried about far right??

Quote (cam)

Because the far left and democrat authoritarianism are clearly on the rise and not getting enough push back.
That is clearly a far more important problem to me than any mean words Trump might have said to swamp creatures on his way out.

Trump's actual policies are not that far out of line with recent presidents, with some significant good differences. The idea that its some terrible and uniquely fascist presidency is not tied to reality.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jan 6 2021 11:59pm)

Left: Government has rights, people do not, beyond what the government grants them. Government has ownership over all.

Right: Individuals have rights, governments exist to serve the individual, and only has those rights the individuals give to them, individuals have ownerships over themselves and their private property.

How many times do I need to repeat this? Fascism is not possible under far right ideals, as the ideals of the far right is that you own your shit (including your own self) and nobody can tell you anything what to do with it. You have beachfront property and want to dump toxic waste in the water? Go ahead! Nobody can stop you. The "far right" at it's most extreme not only denies any form of fascism or communism, they promote active anarchy in favor of absolute personal liberty. The "moderate right", classed as conservatives, believe that while you should have personal rights and personal property rights, they need to be tempered to a point where you cannot actively harm the personal rights of others. They do not believe in an overwhelming government that can dictate anything to them. They believe the government should exist only as a means to ensure mutual defense, insure uninterrupted commerce, and deal with disasters such as fire, and insure that one person doesn't violate the personal and property rights of another person (police).

The moment you say "Far right dictator" you've just shown that you're a horseshoe theorist. Or you simply don't have a clearly defined scale of what right and left really are. In which case your words AND your topic are pointless, and you have such a lack of credibility that you should be laughed out of any conversation you attempt to join. :)

Quote (Plaguefear @ 7 Jan 2021 00:01)

You literally are just making shit up at this point.

Quote (cambovenzi @ Jan 7 2021 07:02pm)

Who is far right and why should I be more worried about them?

I oppose all forms of authoritarianism.

Do you have a response to this? It answered your question.

Quote (Plaguefear @ Jan 7 2021 12:06am)

So biden and harris are far left now? LOL

Quote (InsaneBobb @ 7 Jan 2021 08:59)

Left: Government has rights, people do not, beyond what the government grants them. Government has ownership over all.

Right: Individuals have rights, governments exist to serve the individual, and only has those rights the individuals give to them, individuals have ownerships over themselves and their private property.

How many times do I need to repeat this? Fascism is not possible under far right ideals, as the ideals of the far right is that you own your shit (including your own self) and nobody can tell you anything what to do with it. You have beachfront property and want to dump toxic waste in the water? Go ahead! Nobody can stop you. The "far right" at it's most extreme not only denies any form of fascism or communism, they promote active anarchy in favor of absolute personal liberty. The "moderate right", classed as conservatives, believe that while you should have personal rights and personal property rights, they need to be tempered to a point where you cannot actively harm the personal rights of others. They do not believe in an overwhelming government that can dictate anything to them. They believe the government should exist only as a means to ensure mutual defense, insure uninterrupted commerce, and deal with disasters such as fire, and insure that one person doesn't violate the personal and property rights of another person (police).

The moment you say "Far right dictator" you've just shown that you're a horseshoe theorist. Or you simply don't have a clearly defined scale of what right and left really are. In which case your words AND your topic are pointless, and you have such a lack of credibility that you should be laughed out of any conversation you attempt to join. :)

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Jan 7 2021 07:06pm)

Not at all. There's been over a century of socialists and communists attempting to redefine the scales in such a way that everyone but themselves look evil, and there's no absolute measure of anything. I do not subscribe to your propaganda.

That socialists and communists want to attempt to redefine what it means to be a conservative simply shows yet more of their fascistic nature.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ 7 Jan 2021 02:45)

Left: Government has rights, people do not, beyond what the government grants them. Government has ownership over all.

Right: Individuals have rights, governments exist to serve the individual, and only has those rights the individuals give to them, individuals have ownerships over themselves and their private property.

The Nazis and Soviets were equally far left. The attempt to pronounce "populism" as a "far right" ideal in order to portray the Nazis as far right is simply a lie. Populists exist on the entire spectrum, as do globalists. All populism is is the belief that the actions of a state's government should all be directed towards the well-being of the people of that state. Globalism is the belief that the state's government should take actions that are seen as beneficial to the entire planet. The Nazis may have called themselves populists, but they weren't, were they? They didn't focus on improving their own state, instead, they attempted to expand their state to encompass the entire globe. Rather than using relatively peaceful political and capital means to accomplish a takeover of the world into their ideals, they sought to use violence. But their end goal was to turn the entire planet into one state. AKA globalization. And in the end, all power and ownership in the Nazi state rested in the hands of the government. While personal property did exist, it was so highly regulated and dictated by the government, that individuals could not be said to truly "own" anything at all.

Your argument lacks consistency.

Quote (Plaguefear @ Jan 7 2021 03:06am)

So biden and harris are far left now? LOL