Quote (Thor123422 @ 28 Dec 2020 12:30)
This is where you get into tokenism versus real representation. There were gay people in some shows in the 90's, but most of it was under the rug. It was "queer coded", or limited to a single episode. Hell just look at this list (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_1990s_American_television_episodes_with_LGBT_themes) and compare that to the deluge of characters, seasons, and shows in the 90's.
Depends how widely you define "minority". Females aren't minorities bro, and the fact that you think that you needed to include female ghost busters as "minority representation" really shows that the mindset I'm describing is still alive and well in how you and others perceive media. Having a group of women do something is still considered "political" and just speaks to my point. Similarly, having explicitly gay characters isn't nearly as common as you think it is. Like, was there even a gay avenger? I kind of got those vibes from Captain Marvel but it wasn't really stated. Black and Asian representation is definitely "there", although Asian actors face their own challenges, but minority representation as a whole is not at the level you think it is.
NBA, NASCAR, NFL have been suffering for years before the recent "oh they went woke". Even so, they may be an anomaly because sports (especially NASCAR) appeals to a conservative demographic. Still, not really a counter point to bring up something that's already failing, isn't Hollywood, and that appeals to a specifically conservative fanbase, and may well have been an exit of more liberal people because they definitely didn't just "go woke", because the explicit backlash against the wokeness preceded that.
I didnt claim that minority representation was super high, I said that your claim that "minority representation is pretty rare in most media" is patently false. Hollywood embracing gay characters only started in the late 90s, so a list of the entire 90s movies isnt relevant to this point. And yes, movies were still full of racist and sexist tropes in the early 90s, but no, this does not disprove my point.
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NBA viewership skews heavily black/urban/liberal, it's not a sport marketed to a conservative demographic, and never has been. The NFL's viewership is actually a broad cross-section of America, it neither skews liberal nor conservative. NASCAR is of course the major redneck sport, I'll give you that.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-every-nfl-teams-fans-lean-politically/
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The reason I brought up female cast members was not because I consider them "minorities", but because efforts to increase female representation are a staple of socially liberal politics, and heavily used by Hollywood in recent years.
This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Dec 28 2020 05:55am