Quote (King Atrhur @ Dec 27 2020 09:58am)

Quote (fender @ Dec 27 2020 09:21pm)

interesting, where did you learn that 'fact'? any actual evidence to support that, or just more baseless claims?



is that so? what percentage roughly is 'most' here, and what do you base that claim on? anecdotal evidence of you and the anglers you know? sales stats of different hook types? angler magazine surveys? genuine question, i don't know enough about it to judge if it's true or not, i'm just suspicious because some of your other claims were clearly... influenced by personal bias.



what exactly makes the article 'garbage'? the fact that it contradicts your claim that fish definitely don't feel pain, or do you simply have a better source that irrefutably proves your position? because i'd gladly educate myself if it's scientifically sound. i'd actually prefer if you were right, so please, show me the real stuff.



i watched a football player break their neck and play on for another 40 minutes. i watched a man get stabbed in the head and calmly walk through the streets as if nothing happened - so obviously humans can't feel pain, and a little stabbing will surely do no serious harm to them if you just don't use serrated knives...


again, from what i can tell, this probably does not do enough damage to justify an outright ban. i'm clearly not a principled animal rights activist or a vegan or anything along those lines. i'm against unnecessary cruelty and i'd prefer if animals didn't suffer needlessly, but i don't fundamentally question our omnivorous diet, or the realities about food mass production, even though i support the regulation and moderation of some of the most damaging (to climate, eco systems, and animal wellbeing) forms of exploitation.
what i radically oppose, however, is obvious self-deception and bullshittery, silly rationalisations and blatant science-denial - i genuinely prefer an honest scumbag over someone trying to insult my and their own intelligence so cheaply.

Quote (Plaguefear @ 27 Dec 2020 19:22)

Whys the article bullshit? Because it states that the science is in and fish do feel pain whilst admitting in the same article that many scientists do not agree.
There are far more peer reviewed studies showing a lack of pain in fish than the opposite and the studies linked are poor and one of them was outright cruel.

Quote (Tyrantus @ Dec 27 2020 03:37pm)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8u87vFAW9I&ab_channel=TaiMaiShooz

"It's a lovely day for a swim in the Gulf of Mexico! I'm Steve-O, and this is the fish hook!"

Quote (fender @ Dec 28 2020 07:33am)

a very thin reply dodging almost every question concerning facts to support your claims, only addressing the one about opinion.

you also make another claim which, to me at least, does not seem to be supported by evidence. from what i can tell, a majority of the recent studies on the topic prove that fish can indeed feel pain, so i wonder how you come to the conclusion that "far more" support the opposite conclusion. what do you base that on exactly? on a sidenote, why do you describe one as "cruel" when you tell yourself that fish can't even register pain in the first place?

again, while i personally find catch and release fishing stupid and unnecessary, there are surely worse things you could to for a hobby, like coal rolling, binge drinking, or instagram tourism. i just find it curious how people cherry pick so hard and makes such obviously silly claims to fool themselves when it comes to their own hobby.

Quote (Plaguefear @ 27 Dec 2020 22:49)

I find it silly how you get so abrasive over nothing.

Quote (fender @ Dec 28 2020 12:30pm)

abrasive? i haven't said a foul word about you personally, i'm simply allergic to bs, that's all. by all means, let's focus on the facts. i asked you specific questions but you haven't provided a single source to support your stance, which according to my cursory research and superficial knowledge simply isn't true. i just like to call things what they are, it was not my intention to antagonise you on an emotional level.