Yes.

I think no question about it

Opportunity wasted to unify the country and act like a true leader

This post was edited by Bazi on Nov 5 2020 07:16pm

Phil Murphy and Andrew Cuomo made it a requirement that patients that tested positive for COVID were sent back to nursing homes. Multiple portable hospitals were in NYC/NJ border so the deaths were mostly preventable.

DeSantis in Florida had them stay at hospitals instead and saved tens of thousands.

I've given them dozens of opportunities to point out how it could have been done better.

The usual response is "Trump sent hospital ships so they had rooms!" and then they run away when I point out rooms don't mean shit if there isn't staff.

werent the ships staffed?

There's two issues.

First is that keeping people in hospital rooms of any kind absolutely eats very limited resources. You have to get patients out who don't need those beds because beds are supremely limited as a resource. There was literally nowhere else to send the patients that can safely leave but are still contagious. So sending them back to nursing homes is basically the only option. Keeping them in the hospital means literally noone else can get medical care.

The second is that ICU patients require constant monitoring and there are strict rules to how many patients each person can have. If you are spreading your ICU doctors thin you might as well not have them at all. You can send hospital ships but if your staff are all being spent on ICU you aren't going to have enough staff to normally operate all the rooms. So you end up in a situation where you're "fully staffed" but only using 1/4th the rooms because every patient needs a lot of attention and resources.

Moonwalk? Probably not. Higher chance? I think so. That's my gut but at the end of the day, COVID didn't really sink his approval rating so....that's weird.

The ships were staffed but they were not equipped at all to handle covid patients for a number of reasons. This is why they first deployed it with the intention of being non-covid beds. That was going to be infeasible considering how quickly the virus was spreading and there would be no way to ensure a patient didn't get the virus before getting to the ship.



I'll address the New York part because I know it much better.
1. Cuomo did not actually make it a requirement. It was a policy that was interpreted that way.
2. A big percentage of the nursing room illnesses had started even before the policy was being applied.
3. Most patients that had recovered from covid in the hospital were not going to be infectious.
4. Most of the patients dying in the hospital were not coming from hospitals and there were about 6-7000 nursing home deaths reported in NY. Which means that even if you were completely basing all nursing home deaths on this policy (which is highly unlikely), it would not be 10s of 1000s of deaths.
5. There was still a significant shortage of hospital beds in New York City even with the portable hospitals being made.

his reaction re: covid likely ticked off just enough people who probably didnt approve of him all that much but tend to go with the incumbent

Maybe. A weird correlation is that the counties with the highest rate of infection had increased GOP turnout so I have no idea what to make of that. Culture war shit? I feel like COVID merely increased our levels of polarization.