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Nov 5 2020 01:06pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Nov 5 2020 11:01am)
I've recently started learning about what real anarchism is, not fake anarchism like anarchocapitalism, and I gotta say as a leftist I'm very intrigued.


Voluntarism is something you could look into as well.

True libertarians are hard to come by so we all kind of get lumped into one group of similar ish viewpoints.
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Nov 5 2020 01:09pm
Quote (fender @ Nov 5 2020 12:46pm)
that's not the part you highlighted though. you clearly implied he can't read because the thread was addressed to libertarians only, failing to read the second part (while ironically telling him to learn to read, lol) - my point stands, despite your attempt to move the goal post.


...and you didn't highlight the last part, but it was still there.

In no way did Pierre address the topic, he just showed up to bitch, and you're busy white knighting for him when I dished it back. FOH

Quote (kclla @ Nov 5 2020 01:00pm)
Any of y'all into minarchism?

It's like libertarianism but with a soft spot.

Minimal govt regulation only to help those who literally cannot protect them selves like children, elderly and resources needed for all like water.

Only way to pass any laws would be a VAST majority of 80+% so really the only laws on the books would be for Murder, Sex crimes, Child abuse IE just things that are almost universally accepted as wrong and certainly go against the non aggression pact that we all love so much.


I generally consider myself a minarchist.
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Nov 5 2020 01:12pm
Quote (kclla @ Nov 5 2020 01:06pm)
Voluntarism is something you could look into as well.

True libertarians are hard to come by so we all kind of get lumped into one group of similar ish viewpoints.


The thing about most of these philosophies is they end up resulting in a state that looks almost exactly like what we have now when you look at increasingly complicated systems.

No aggression.
But who decides whats aggression? Like what if I commit environmental terrorism by damming up a river to drive farms out of business then buy the farms for cheap and undam the river?
Well obviously that's aggression.
but who decides?
The community?
So the community would have a court?
Sure.
The community can't really vote for every single law, so they would need representatives to decide.
Okay.
and laws have to be enforced which needs taxes.

etc. etc.

You end up with a situation where once you get past like 1000 people it's just a normal country.
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Nov 5 2020 01:13pm
Don't we have only 2 self-identified libertarians in PaRD?
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Nov 5 2020 01:16pm
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...and you didn't highlight the last part, but it was still there.

In no way did Pierre address the topic, he just showed up to bitch, and you're busy white knighting for him when I dished it back. FOH


i didn't have to highlight the last part in order to point out the irony of your 'learn to read' line. you failed and now you're trying to move the goal post. pathetic.
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Nov 5 2020 01:19pm
Quote (fender @ Nov 5 2020 01:16pm)
i didn't have to highlight the last part in order to point out the irony of your 'learn to read' line. you failed and now you're trying to move the goal post. pathetic.


FOH white knight
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Quote (Santara @ 5 Nov 2020 20:19)
FOH white knight


why are you always so mad, kid? you really think you can tell anyone what to do or where to go? has that ever actually worked for you, or is that just your way of venting after being embarrassed through your own fault? maybe think about this thread next time you want to tell someone to 'learn to read', lol.

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Nov 5 2020 01:26pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Nov 5 2020 11:12am)
The thing about most of these philosophies is they end up resulting in a state that looks almost exactly like what we have now when you look at increasingly complicated systems.

No aggression.
But who decides whats aggression? Like what if I commit environmental terrorism by damming up a river to drive farms out of business then buy the farms for cheap and undam the river?
Well obviously that's aggression. 80+% of the raw vote of the people
but who decides? The people
The community?
So the community would have a court? Yes one would exist
Sure.
The community can't really vote for every single law, so they would need representatives to decide.
Okay.
and laws have to be enforced which needs taxes. Volunteers, donations, and if voted on by 80+% extremely low taxes

etc. etc.

You end up with a situation where once you get past like 1000 people it's just a normal country.


I think you would be surprised at how many people would
#1 volunteer to investigate and prosecute child sex criminals
#2 If they don't volunteer I also think you would be surprised The amount of donations by the wealthy to fund courts which protect communities (but mostly themselves) from those with mal intent.
#3 Once your tax rate gets slashed to either %0 or single digits from 25%+ it's easy to have extra money left over to do things like donate to causes you believe in.

On a grand scale the only things a pro libertarian Government would handle are incredibly small compared to what our current government handles


Just a few examples of things that would get the snip:


Road building
Drug arrests and prosecution
Public works projects
Parking tickets
Traffic violations
A tremendous amount of military and military spending. (Again, non aggression not our job to be world police anymore)
likely 90% of the federal prison system (Again, mostly just murders, rapists and child abusers) and those prisons left would likely be private and for profit.

the list goes on, so No i'd disagree it's not necessitated that it becomes a society like the USA once it moves beyond 1000 people.

This post was edited by kclla on Nov 5 2020 01:33pm
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Nov 5 2020 01:28pm
Quote (fender @ Nov 5 2020 01:22pm)
why are you always so mad, kid? you really think you can tell anyone what to do or where to go? has that ever actually worked for you, or is that just your way of venting after being embarrassed through your own fault? maybe think about this thread next time you want to tell someone to 'learn to read', lol.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/019/954/playedurself.jpg


Why do you always paddle upstream in your douche canoe? I mean, you have a serious character defect, and it leeches into every interaction you have with virtually every regular on the forum. Don't go mistaking my utter disdain for you with being generally mad. The common denominator in all of your failed interactions with the people here is you.
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Nov 5 2020 01:49pm
Quote (Santara @ 5 Nov 2020 20:28)
Why do you always paddle upstream in your douche canoe? I mean, you have a serious character defect, and it leeches into every interaction you have with virtually every regular on the forum. Don't go mistaking my utter disdain for you with being generally mad. The common denominator in all of your failed interactions with the people here is you.


imagine being so triggered over getting called out for a hypocritical personal attack that you have to engage in cringy kitchen sink psychology to distract from it, lol. if you had the slightest bit of sense or decency in you, you would admitted that was a bit of a fail, and laughed about it - but you're so incredibly insecure (fragile egos is the actual common denominator amongst my fans) and mad, that the reasonable solution probably didn't even occur to you until you read this. it's as pathetic as it is hilarious...
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