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The notion that the two major parties are entitled to all the votes is preposterous. The notion that 100% of libertarians would rather vote Republican than Democrat is also preposterous. Libertarians are generally closer to Democrats on social issues and Republicans on fiscal ones, so if social issues are more important to you, you might be more inclined to vote Democrat.


Also the appealing ideas in the Republican party are limited government and low taxes. They have gotten away from that. Now they are mostly big government social conservatives And there goal has been to prevent people from having the same rights that they have.

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Quote (Bazi @ Nov 5 2020 01:24am)
Can’t imagine their ideology policy wise would be more in line with Biden than trump?


ok then by that logic

Trump cost Libertarians the election
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Quote (Kayeto @ Nov 5 2020 06:38am)
ok then by that logic

Trump cost Libertarians the election


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Quote (Kayeto @ Nov 5 2020 01:38pm)
ok then by that logic

Trump cost Libertarians the election


It isn't even that crazy. In 2016, Hillary cost Hillary the election.
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It isn't even that crazy. In 2016, Hillary cost Hillary the election.


Lol she did. The weekend at Bernie's play book didn't Pan out.
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Is there any chance that some libertarians perhaps dislike Trump as a person, or that they dislike the idea of voting for the Republican party?

I dunno, just offering the possibility that people aren't as one-dimensional as you might think.


I literally said that in my post.

If you think Trump is a classic Republican from the 80s, you're completely wrong. He's a New York Republican, he's extremely moderate.

Not liking someone based on personality is fine and choosing not to vote for them is valid because of it -- though I'd say it's definitely worth looking past.

To vote against a Politician solely based on their personality is dumb however.

It also is hard for me to imagine a real Libertarian being pro the current Social Justice Movements occurring. With things like BLM, Equity Pacts, We must be actively Anti-Racist, etc.

Add in the mandatory Lockdowns. Mask Mandates. None of these policies sound like Libertarianism, it's authoritarian.

Whereas the current Republicans are moreso just do your own damn thing as long as you're not hurting anyone -- which is basically the main basis for Libertarianism. The one exception is that they're more vocal about being pro Life. But I haven't really seen them make active steps towards achieving that recently.



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Also the appealing ideas in the Republican party are limited government and low taxes. They have gotten away from that. Now they are mostly big government social conservatives And there goal has been to prevent people from having the same rights that they have.


Please explain these points and what examples you have of this because this sounds entirely like the Democrats.

No guns for you. But we'll keep our armed security.

No free speech for you, enjoy your censorship. But we can say whatever we want.

No SCOTUS pick for you. But we can literally rig the system in our favor and then cry fowl when it's used against us.

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I literally said that in my post.

If you think Trump is a classic Republican from the 80s, you're completely wrong. He's a New York Republican, he's extremely moderate.

Not liking someone based on personality is fine and choosing not to vote for them is valid because of it -- though I'd say it's definitely worth looking past.

To vote against a Politician solely based on their personality is dumb however.

It also is hard for me to imagine a real Libertarian being pro the current Social Justice Movements occurring. With things like BLM, Equity Pacts, We must be actively Anti-Racist, etc.

Add in the mandatory Lockdowns. Mask Mandates. None of these policies sound like Libertarianism, it's authoritarian.

Whereas the current Republicans are moreso just do your own damn thing as long as you're not hurting anyone -- which is basically the main basis for Libertarianism. The one exception is that they're more vocal about being pro Life. But I haven't really seen them make active steps towards achieving that recently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JaFFKzqR4M


All I see is "Those Libertarians should follow my Republican ideas of how I cast my votes".

I'm not sure who you're trying to convince, by the way. Democracy implies that everyone gets to decide for themselves what criteria they base their votes on. already mentioned that there are plenty of left-leaning libertarians but for some reason you chose to ignore that post.

In the end, "Libertarians potentially cost Trump the election" is putting the world upside down. Trump is the one who has to convince people to vote for them, and if they end up deciding not to vote for them then it means his campaign has failed its purpose.

Just concede instead of looking for excuses, and nominate someone who isn't a complete nutcase next time. The Democrats have proven in 2016 and 2020 that they are out of decent candidates themselves, so the Republicans failing to win in a landslide victory is their own fault.
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Quote (GLYC123 @ Nov 5 2020 07:24am)
I literally said that in my post.

If you think Trump is a classic Republican from the 80s, you're completely wrong. He's a New York Republican, he's extremely moderate.

Not liking someone based on personality is fine and choosing not to vote for them is valid because of it -- though I'd say it's definitely worth looking past.

To vote against a Politician solely based on their personality is dumb however.

It also is hard for me to imagine a real Libertarian being pro the current Social Justice Movements occurring. With things like BLM, Equity Pacts, We must be actively Anti-Racist, etc.

Add in the mandatory Lockdowns. Mask Mandates. None of these policies sound like Libertarianism, it's authoritarian.

Whereas the current Republicans are moreso just do your own damn thing as long as you're not hurting anyone -- which is basically the main basis for Libertarianism. The one exception is that they're more vocal about being pro Life. But I haven't really seen them make active steps towards achieving that recently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JaFFKzqR4M


to this point specifically its VERY clear biden is just pandering to these extremists and the policy he'll make wont be earth shattering.

trump voters eat up the comunism, antifa, sjw, etc scary labels, independents dont.
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