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Oct 19 2020 11:43am
Quote (thundercock @ Oct 19 2020 12:41pm)
Oregon has been vote by mail since 2000. Why is this an issue now as opposed to the elections over the past 20 years?


honestly, its because scared republicans politicized it so much. it was safe in the dark, its been spotlighted by scared boomers.
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Oct 19 2020 11:51am
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Oregon has been vote by mail since 2000. Why is this an issue now as opposed to the elections over the past 20 years?


Why did mass shootings become a thing decades after the US had an ample supply of guns and soft targets? Why did terrorists start trying to blow up airlines or crash them instead of just hijacking them, after decades of the latter?
Vulnerabilities can exist for a long time before people start to exploit them, but it becomes a trend once they do.

Most of these state websites where you could rig the election with ten minutes of effort, have been like that for years. Its just that nobody actually did it (I hope).
Then someone makes a thread about it on 4chan and the internet autism machine puts its effort into exploring every state's website and probing for weaknesses and mapping out compromised databases and low security interfaces.
If they can find a webcam based on cloud movements or pinpoint an ISIS camp from propaganda videos and order a Russian airstrike on it, they can click through a few webpages and enter names/ages.

How big is the problem? For all I know, it could be anywhere from "a handful of experiments, rolled back instantly" to "vermin supreme gets 67 electoral college votes"
In a functional democracy I'd trust our media and government to be watchdog and repairman.
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Oct 19 2020 01:11pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 19 2020 10:51am)
Why did mass shootings become a thing decades after the US had an ample supply of guns and soft targets? Why did terrorists start trying to blow up airlines or crash them instead of just hijacking them, after decades of the latter?
Vulnerabilities can exist for a long time before people start to exploit them, but it becomes a trend once they do.

Most of these state websites where you could rig the election with ten minutes of effort, have been like that for years. Its just that nobody actually did it (I hope).
Then someone makes a thread about it on 4chan and the internet autism machine puts its effort into exploring every state's website and probing for weaknesses and mapping out compromised databases and low security interfaces.
If they can find a webcam based on cloud movements or pinpoint an ISIS camp from propaganda videos and order a Russian airstrike on it, they can click through a few webpages and enter names/ages.

How big is the problem? For all I know, it could be anywhere from "a handful of experiments, rolled back instantly" to "vermin supreme gets 67 electoral college votes"
In a functional democracy I'd trust our media and government to be watchdog and repairman.


This is fair but I don't think this applies here unless Oregon in particular has vulnerabilities. Typically, in order to do voter lookup, you only need a few bits of information: full name and address. That's really easy to get but there's no reason to do that when you can pay for the entire voter registration file for a small fee in Oregon. Take a look here for all states:
https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/access-to-and-use-of-voter-registration-lists.aspx

The more interesting aspect is the ability to make changes. Typically, in order to make changes, you need a significant amount of information including SSNs and other PII. I can't speak for Oregon but I have to imagine that it's similar to CA.

Here is the "paper form" for updating voter registration: https://sos.oregon.gov/elections/Documents/SEL500.pdf

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This is fair but I don't think this applies here unless Oregon in particular has vulnerabilities. Typically, in order to do voter lookup, you only need a few bits of information: full name and address. That's really easy to get but there's no reason to do that when you can pay for the entire voter registration file for a small fee in Oregon. Take a look here for all states:
https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/access-to-and-use-of-voter-registration-lists.aspx

The more interesting aspect is the ability to make changes. Typically, in order to make changes, you need a significant amount of information including SSNs and other PII. I can't speak for Oregon but I have to imagine that it's similar to CA.

Here is the "paper form" for updating voter registration: https://sos.oregon.gov/elections/Documents/SEL500.pdf


That was the issue, it let you make changes with just name and date of birth, harvestable from outside sources like social media.
Now I don't think the controls were too limitless, from what I understand you couldn't change the vote from mail-in voters who already cast ballots. But you could change votes for absentee voters or cancel mail-in votes already cast and mail out a new one, and I'm not sure if you could change their address but people had pics showing they changed the governor's address on file to Poopoo Peepee Boulevard
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Oct 19 2020 01:37pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 19 2020 12:33pm)
That was the issue, it let you make changes with just name and date of birth, harvestable from outside sources like social media.
Now I don't think the controls were too limitless, from what I understand you couldn't change the vote from mail-in voters who already cast ballots. But you could change votes for absentee voters or cancel mail-in votes already cast and mail out a new one, and I'm not sure if you could change their address but people had pics showing they changed the governor's address on file to Poopoo Peepee Boulevard


That seems incredibly unlikely given that Oregon has been doing this for 20 years. Do we have any Oregon residents on PaRD who could verify this?
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Quote (balrog66 @ Oct 19 2020 01:03pm)
The only way for Trump to lose is foul play. It can't just be that a lot of Americans are disappointed and disgusted with his Presidency. No sirree



My final prediction was a 278-260 final result.

That is in no way a landslide or mass approval of Trump.

Election fraud is wrong and some Democrats are attempting it en masse because the media is on their side.
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Oct 19 2020 02:16pm
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honestly, its because scared republicans politicized it so much. it was safe in the dark, its been spotlighted by scared boomers.


The system isnt designed to handle this much, and voting by mail was always less safe than in person.
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Oct 19 2020 02:22pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Oct 19 2020 03:16pm)
The system isnt designed to handle this much, and voting by mail was always less safe than in person.


if only if only whomever was president had 6+ months of a global pandemic to do, well, literally anything, to bolster the mailing system to handle what was obviously going to be an insanely high increase in mail in ballots.

temporary employees, working with states to identify issues ahead of time, etc.

but when you spend 3 months calling it a hoax and the next 3 fear mongering about a fair election u could have made more fair. well..........
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Oct 19 2020 02:39pm
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if only if only whomever was president had 6+ months of a global pandemic to do, well, literally anything, to bolster the mailing system to handle what was obviously going to be an insanely high increase in mail in ballots.

temporary employees, working with states to identify issues ahead of time, etc.

but when you spend 3 months calling it a hoax and the next 3 fear mongering about a fair election u could have made more fair. well..........


The mail in isnt necessary. If you just have voting starting three days prior you can have adequate social distancing and safe processes.
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Oct 19 2020 02:56pm
Literal fake ballot boxes by Republicans *crickets*
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