Quote (Thor123422 @ 15 Sep 2020 23:40)

Holding every accused person without bail is not the solution. Letting everybody go without bail is not the solution either.

In our current system bail is about being rich and poor.

I love how you have to insult me instead of interact with what I actually posted though. Easier to pretend the other person is dumb when you just avoid what they say and strawman them into the ground.



Please do some basic research on the quality of our public defender system. It's absolutely abysmal in this country.

Quote (thundercock @ 15 Sep 2020 23:44)

There's no point in having bail. You're either too dangerous to be released or you're not.

Quote (thundercock @ Sep 15 2020 11:44pm)

There's no point in having bail. You're either too dangerous to be released or you're not.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 15 2020 10:49pm)

Your argument is trash and misses the whole point of the mechanic that bail serves. It’s not good enough to cry and say this isn’t fair and not offer a viable alternative. Either offer an alternative or acknowledge why money bail is a utilitarian mechanism.

Quote (theCrossbones @ Sep 15 2020 11:45pm)

I dont' agree with the bail system but if you think the "one will be appointed to you" is working LOL
half the crime/drug prosecution system in the US is even in violation of your constitutional rights. But when cops and district courts shake hands, you don't get to say shit but thank you

Quote (ReturnFormer @ Sep 15 2020 10:59pm)

i guess im just an idealist in that regard. theoretically, a public defender SHOULD be enough. if not, then thats an area that needs improvement, too.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 16 2020 12:00am)

The thing is, making the bail system more strict without first fixing the public defender system makes the whole system worse, not better.

Quote (ReturnFormer @ Sep 15 2020 11:02pm)

i never gave an order to fixing things.

releasing (without bail) people who are clearly a flight risk or repeat offender makes society worse.

Quote (ReturnFormer @ Sep 15 2020 07:35pm)

theres been some talk of bail reform lately, with some states doing away with bail in many cases, letting alleged criminals walk free to await their court date. in some cases, perpetrators have immediately gone out and committed more crimes and been arrested again, only to be let free yet again. the reason for this? apparently bail is racist and creates an unfair advantage for the wealthy, and disadvantage for the poor.

first and foremost, so what if it gives the wealthy an advantage? life isnt fair, get over it. being wealthy has numerous advantages. duh. this is just another petty attack on wealthy people by democrats in a lame attempt to get the support of the poor masses.


however, i do agree that theres a need for bail reform. in fact, i think bail should be done away with completely - dont let ANYONE out until theyve had their trial and been cleared. why should accused criminals be running around free while awaiting trial? especially if theres strong evidence that they are guilty. i know of such a case that happened near me, where theres video evidence of the accused committing the [serious] crime, but they made bail and are out for now. while theres a restraining order in place, they do live near the victim and people in the community dont want this person around, knowing what they did. imo, its better to just do away with bail completely.

the downside, however, is that people who are innocent will also have to wait in jail for their trial. which does give me mixed feelings about this it would suck to be wrongly accused of something and have to sit in jail for months awaiting trial because of that. but it shouldnt take that long to get a trial in the first place, the whole judicial system needs an overhaul.

but i dont think that letting criminals free to go commit more crimes while they wait for their trial is the answer.

Quote (ReturnFormer @ Sep 15 2020 10:42pm)

do they need as large a budget? how many people have been falsely convicted as a result of a poor public defender?

and as i said before, is the cheap lawyer that is all someone who is so strapped for cash can afford to hire going to be all that better than the public defender anyway?

i dont see needing to work to pay a lawyer as a legitimate reason for letting accused criminals back on the streets.

Quote (Thor123422 @ 16 Sep 2020 04:38)

If you're such a piece of shit that you think access to justice should be predicated on wealth you're not worth talking to..

Quote (inkanddagger @ 16 Sep 2020 06:19)

So you're cool with Harvey Weinstein buying his way out of prison. You're a fucking pedophile rapist loving piece of shit.