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Aug 30 2020 10:47am
Quote (theCrossbones @ Aug 30 2020 11:44am)
not proven.. lot of stories coming out first death was shots to the persons back. In portland nobody can tell if there was a confrontation prior to the shooting.

MY point is proven.


I'm assuming you are just skimming through headlines and not actually watching the videos and reading about it.
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Aug 30 2020 10:51am
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I'm assuming you are just skimming through headlines and not actually watching the videos and reading about it.


not true
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Aug 30 2020 10:54am
Quote (Loathe @ Aug 30 2020 11:47am)
I'm assuming you are just skimming through headlines and not actually watching the videos and reading about it.


Indeed the videos make it pretty clear michael reinhoehl stalked and murdered jay bishop, the antifa militants were calling each other around to follow the patriot prayer members, then after shouting "we got a trumper over here", he walked up and shot him. Jay either tried to defend himself with bear spray or was shot in a can of bear spray that exploded, either way he had no deadly weapon. Reinhoehl was filmed earlier racking his pistol in confrontations with Trump supporters
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not true


Then where are you getting your information?
Even if there was a "confrontation" prior which didn't seem likely, we obviously saw it wasn't self defense.
He was even shouting that he found a "trumper".
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Quote (Loathe @ Aug 30 2020 09:54am)
Then where are you getting your information?
Even if there was a "confrontation" prior which didn't seem likely, we obviously saw it wasn't self defense.
He was even shouting that he found a "trumper".


before you keep trying to "gotcha" me..
I'm not calling this guy a hero.
I'm stating that millions of people are SURE this kyle kid is.. and calling him such.
I'm not for this situation in PD.
See the difference yet?
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Aug 30 2020 11:04am
Quote (theCrossbones @ Aug 30 2020 11:59am)
before you keep trying to "gotcha" me..
I'm not calling this guy a hero.
I'm stating that millions of people are SURE this kyle kid is.. and calling him such.
I'm not for this situation in PD.
See the difference yet?



There’s piles of evidence that he was defending himself.
Do you think the videos are fakes or something?
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Aug 30 2020 11:06am
Quote (Loathe @ Aug 30 2020 10:04am)
There’s piles of evidence that he was defending himself.
Do you think the videos are fakes or something?


there's also reports that the first attack was shooting to the victims back.
the FACT is you don't know.
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Aug 30 2020 11:08am
Quote (theCrossbones @ Aug 30 2020 11:59am)
before you keep trying to "gotcha" me..
I'm not calling this guy a hero.
I'm stating that millions of people are SURE this kyle kid is.. and calling him such.
I'm not for this situation in PD.
See the difference yet?


People are inclined to believe what they see with their own eyes. Incontrovertible evidence has a way of convincing people of facts.
Folks say Kyle acted in self-defense because they have seen videos of the three people he shot chasing him and assaulting him unprovoked, and other people drawing/firing their guns first- besides the part where kyle spent that day on volunteer lifeguard duty, volunteer graffiti cleanup, and was putting out fires and rendering medical aid and trying to aid police response. Whereas his attackers were all 3 violent convicted felons including a pedophile. For contrast, the video of michael reinhoehl shooting jay bishop shows he was stalking someone due to his political beliefs, where the shooter was antifa and victim was patriot prayer- with no immediate self-defense at the moment of the shooting, and the antifa guy spent the night looking to shoot someone at multiple confrontations.
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Aug 30 2020 11:09am
Quote (theCrossbones @ Aug 30 2020 12:06pm)
there's also reports that the first attack was shooting to the victims back.
the FACT is you don't know.



Before the shots even started he is shown be chased off by a mob of people...
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