Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 29 2020 05:18pm)

Here's some numbers

in 2019, there were 999 people fatally shot by police
only 250 of those were black (75% were not black)
and only 7 of those were unarmed and not using a vehicle as a weapon or claiming to have a gun (97% were armed- the washington post's statistics are BS and need manual review, half their 14 include driving into officers, a guy claiming to have a gun, stealing police tasers, and a couple incidents where the perp actually did have a gun after all)
and only 1 of those was not struggling to resist arrest, assaulting officers or evading during a felony, and of those 7, it resulted in 3 officers being brought to grand juries for murder/manslaughter, 2 indicted (plus a few more indictments for incidents in which the perp was armed)
note those 7 unarmed includes incidents like "full grown man is trying to beat a female officer to death with his fists when she shoots him" or one officer being choked out and losing consciousness while the other shoots the perp

and in 2019, there were 48 officers killed in line of duty homicides (147 line of duty deaths total including accidents/etc)
of the 49 offenders in those 48 incidents, 15 were black

Quote (Goomshill @ 29 Aug 2020 23:18)

Here's some numbers

in 2019, there were 999 people fatally shot by police
only 250 of those were black (75% were not black)
and only 7 of those were unarmed and not using a vehicle as a weapon or claiming to have a gun (97% were armed- the washington post's statistics are BS and need manual review, half their 14 include driving into officers, a guy claiming to have a gun, stealing police tasers, and a couple incidents where the perp actually did have a gun after all)
and only 1 of those was not struggling to resist arrest, assaulting officers or evading during a felony, and of those 7, it resulted in 3 officers being brought to grand juries for murder/manslaughter, 2 indicted (plus a few more indictments for incidents in which the perp was armed)
note those 7 unarmed includes incidents like "full grown man is trying to beat a female officer to death with his fists when she shoots him" or one officer being choked out and losing consciousness while the other shoots the perp

and in 2019, there were 48 officers killed in line of duty homicides (147 line of duty deaths total including accidents/etc)
of the 49 offenders in those 48 incidents, 15 were black

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 29 2020 05:34pm)

I appreciate the effort and the attempt to give a fact-based, sober analysis. I'm just afraid that you're missing a lot of cases which were never reported. Think of the Ahmaud Arbery case, which came awfully close to slipping through. There's probably dozens of similar cases per year where the perpetrators get away with their crime because it is never even officially registered in the first place.

Quote (Goomshill @ 30 Aug 2020 00:46)

I'm confident that 100% of fatal police shootings of black men get reported. Ahmaud Arbery wasn't shot by the police

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 29 2020 09:01pm)

Fair enough. Fatal shootings by the police or surely the least underreported category.

I think where your numbers are vulnerable is when you jump from 250 black victims of fatal police shootings to just 7 who were unarmed. That drop seems too steep to me. Also, what exactly does "unarmed" mean in this context? For example, a guy wielding a Swiss Army Knife qualifies him as "armed", but it doesnt justify a fatal shot under most circumstances.