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Aug 20 2020 02:14pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Aug 20 2020 03:00pm)
People working for Uber/Lyft/Doordash etc are contract workers. I could go sign up to work tomorrow and do it for 30 minutes or 60 hours or i can choose to not do a single ride. It's my choice as a contractor, it's also my choice if i want to accept certain orders/rides, or if i feel unsafe i can just stay home.

You can't have your cake and eat it too as a contractor. Most of these jobs like Uber people make more than minimum wage. I bet in Cali people probably make 25-30 bucks an hour easy. You can't say i want the flexibility and non committal nature of what these jobs offer then turn around and say i also want healthcare, sick days, vacation days, etc.

Ride share companies will abide by this law but they will transfer these costs onto the consumer, you realize that right?

Uber came along and destroyed the taxi business. Now government is doing it's best to stifle the free market and have people pay 60 bucks for a 5 mile ride again.


Sounds like they're evening the playing field. The Taxi business has always had to abide by these regulations, as long as Uber has existed at least. Uber exploited a new business model and was successful in the time it took government to catch up with regulations. Now they have to do what ever other business does, and deal with the government classifying their employees and their business model and use the money they made in the interim to facilitate that. This is how it always works when new business models spring up. The good ones are the ones who innovate and survive a changing landscape, and that includes a regulatory landscape.

Uber is wanting to have their cake and eat it too. They want the freedom to not give benefits to their employees, but also mandate everything about how their employees do their job. That's just not the business landscape we've adopted in the United States because our fundamental economic benefit is derived from our employment. Everything from our retirement accounts to our healthcare is regulated through our workplace. If you want to free businesses like Uber from this you have to fundamentally change the landscape such that these things can be reasonably acquired without being classified as an employee, because right now it can't be. I mean, sure, you could buy your own insurance, but a gig worker isn't gonna be able to afford the 1k a month to have decent healthcare because they have no group negotiating power.

Honestly, this is just another reason we need a national healthcare system. Economic freedom of the workers and freedom of the businesses to not have to provide that benefit.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Aug 20 2020 02:14pm
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Aug 20 2020 03:30pm
Ill disagree on this one. Prices should be passed to the consumer, if the price is to high it means the consumer is finding cheaper alternatives that are filling their need. If they want to survive they will alter their business model in a way that works, or perhaps it just does not work, declare bankruptcy and move to the next venture.

If there's an existing demand jobs will simply be moved from one area to the area that is now in demand.

A day of reckoning is coming for these unprofitable tech companies just pissing share allotment money away. Dilution, dilution, debt, debt, debt.

Shit or get off the pot.

This post was edited by SBD on Aug 20 2020 03:51pm
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Aug 20 2020 03:41pm
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Sounds like they're evening the playing field. The Taxi business has always had to abide by these regulations, as long as Uber has existed at least. Uber exploited a new business model and was successful in the time it took government to catch up with regulations. Now they have to do what ever other business does, and deal with the government classifying their employees and their business model and use the money they made in the interim to facilitate that. This is how it always works when new business models spring up. The good ones are the ones who innovate and survive a changing landscape, and that includes a regulatory landscape.

Uber is wanting to have their cake and eat it too. They want the freedom to not give benefits to their employees, but also mandate everything about how their employees do their job. That's just not the business landscape we've adopted in the United States because our fundamental economic benefit is derived from our employment. Everything from our retirement accounts to our healthcare is regulated through our workplace. If you want to free businesses like Uber from this you have to fundamentally change the landscape such that these things can be reasonably acquired without being classified as an employee, because right now it can't be. I mean, sure, you could buy your own insurance, but a gig worker isn't gonna be able to afford the 1k a month to have decent healthcare because they have no group negotiating power.

Honestly, this is just another reason we need a national healthcare system. Economic freedom of the workers and freedom of the businesses to not have to provide that benefit.


The taxi industry is a case study in how local legislation can create barriers to entry that protect operators at the expense of the wider community.
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Aug 20 2020 05:17pm
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California has been hemorrhaging businesses the last few years due to overbearing regulations and taxes, many of those companies finding greener pastures in places like Texas.

Few months back Elon Musk, Tesla CEO, threatened to move it's ops to Texas after California didn't want to play ball with the company with allowing them to reopen.

More details here:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/elon-musk-pushes-to-reopen-tesla-in-california-and-keep-up-with-detroit-11589393592
https://www.dallasnews.com/business/autos/2020/07/22/teslas-big-tease-its-picked-a-site-for-new-us-assembly-plant-but-isnt-saying-where-yet/

As of today Lyft has suspended it operations in California to comply with the below law suit. Apparently it's not economical for Lyft so instead of complying, they're just shutting down services with thousands of jobs lost. Uber has also threatened same action.



https://www.wsj.com/articles/lyft-to-suspend-service-in-california-11597942614?mod=hp_lead_pos2

I'm just sitting here wondering at what point do California state legislators realize they're going full retard and are driving massive job providers out of the state? I rather have the ability to work as a contractor instead that opportunity completely disappears because government is forcing a company to operate in uneconomical conditions. Not sure the economic model California is using in which higher taxes higher regulations and less jobs is going to result in a positive outcome.


The media will never cover this.

Liberals would rather die than stop ruining our country.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Aug 20 2020 04:14pm)
Sounds like they're evening the playing field. The Taxi business has always had to abide by these regulations, as long as Uber has existed at least. Uber exploited a new business model and was successful in the time it took government to catch up with regulations. Now they have to do what ever other business does, and deal with the government classifying their employees and their business model and use the money they made in the interim to facilitate that. This is how it always works when new business models spring up. The good ones are the ones who innovate and survive a changing landscape, and that includes a regulatory landscape.

Uber is wanting to have their cake and eat it too. They want the freedom to not give benefits to their employees, but also mandate everything about how their employees do their job. That's just not the business landscape we've adopted in the United States because our fundamental economic benefit is derived from our employment. Everything from our retirement accounts to our healthcare is regulated through our workplace. If you want to free businesses like Uber from this you have to fundamentally change the landscape such that these things can be reasonably acquired without being classified as an employee, because right now it can't be. I mean, sure, you could buy your own insurance, but a gig worker isn't gonna be able to afford the 1k a month to have decent healthcare because they have no group negotiating power.

Honestly, this is just another reason we need a national healthcare system. Economic freedom of the workers and freedom of the businesses to not have to provide that benefit.


You're only making income equality worse with your terrible policies.

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Aug 20 2020 05:19pm
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The media will never cover this.

Liberals would rather die than stop ruining our country.


Um, it's literally on the front page of CNN, NY Times, and CBS...
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Aug 20 2020 05:20pm
California is in the midst of a fairly large exodus of people due to their carzy regulations and taxes. They are going to Arizona, Texas, and even Idaho of all places. Hopefully the people leaving won't be stupid and vote for the very things they flee from.
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Aug 20 2020 05:22pm
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Um, it's literally on the front page of CNN, NY Times, and CBS...


They are blaming the companies.

The media literally has Gavin Newsom's magic stick down their throat. They couldn't make it any more obvious that they are prostitutes for the Democrat campaigns.
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Aug 20 2020 05:25pm
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They are blaming the companies.

The media literally has Gavin Newsom's magic stick down their throat. They couldn't make it any more obvious that they are prostitutes for the Democrat campaigns.


Which articles did you read say that?

Anyway, a California court ruled that the two companies have time to comply (seems to be Oct 13)
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Aug 20 2020 05:29pm
I laughed when this legislation was praised by all the lefty journalists, then their own companies had to downsize because of it. California is a pretty decent size gig economy and it only hurts those employees who work for companies who can't afford to insure part-time workers.
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Which articles did you read say that?

Anyway, a California court ruled that the two companies have time to comply (seems to be Oct 13)


The one where they gave Gavin Newsom an sbj.

Making a bad law slightly less bad is still bad.
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