Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 4 2020 11:22pm)

The Nevada bill allows for 3rd parties to fill in peoples ballots for them and drop off their ballot. Effectively, activists can visit nursing homes and can simply collect all their resident's ballots "at their request", fill them out and drop them off.
This is the "ballot harvesting" aspect of the law that is so controversial.

Its not that they're picking names off a list and filling in ballots all at some central location. Its that they're traveling to the people's locations and filling out and delivering their ballots for them.
And there's no way to do a signature comparison when the ballot doesn't require the voter's signature in the first place.
It also completely borks the custody of ballots. Political operatives- not election workers or nursing home staff- can collect ballots from the elderly and then be entrusted to deliver them, and even fill them out 'at their request'. They'll have custody of those ballots and be the failure point if all the Trump voting ballots just happen to go missing, or blank votes get filled in, or they just fill in something different than what the person dictating it said.

Quote (Santara @ Aug 5 2020 08:33am)

My thoughts are that I'm tired of this Goebbels crap.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/04/21/15-election-results-that-were-thrown-out-because-of-fraudulent-mail-in-ballots/

Quote (Santara @ Aug 5 2020 08:33am)

My thoughts are that I'm tired of this Goebbels crap.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/04/21/15-election-results-that-were-thrown-out-because-of-fraudulent-mail-in-ballots/

Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 5 2020 10:48am)

Currently there is no evidence Thor is susceptible to propaganda.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Aug 5 2020 11:39am)

I'm happy with this thread so far.

There were several real concerns raised. Most of the time with this kind of thing it's "there could be voter fraud" okay how? "it could happen!" but how?

Kinda like with voter ID, where maybe it's a good idea to have ID but methods of ID were excluded to disadvantage minority groups specifically and polling places were also closed with the same goal. Like, yeah, maybe it's a good idea, but let's talk about how to actually do it instead of just debating the idea because we all agree the idea could be sound if done right.

I made some assumptions about ballot security that were removed by the Nevada law. I still think mailing ballots to everybody is a good idea, but the drop-off requirements are an issue, and if there isn't even a signature required on the ballot that's another issue, although for the latter I can't find a picture of the ballot since it's illegal to post in Nevada.

Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 5 2020 12:00pm)

the biggest hurdle to this is state-by-state differences and how electors and their council work. trying to deal with this landscape of widely varying practices with a national mandate will be hard. that speaks both to Trump's inability to make nationwide change on the issue in short order, and also is a strategy national candidates use to divest from responsibility when/where voter suppression takes place in certain districts/states.

in any case Absentee ballots and mail in voting already does exist, both parties should be scrambling to register people to vote in this preexisting system. if they haven't been its a major failure. anyone could have seen polling places under attack even 4 months ago.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Aug 5 2020 12:06pm)

Yeah, if we had a president saying "We need mail-in ballots, and we also need these specific security measures. Let's get them implemented! Call your legislatures!" That would be amazing and would get everybody on their side.

After looking into the mail-in ballot landscape, how turnout is going to affect voting method by who they are voting for, and some other things, I'm not confident that the current state of polling is going to reflect the turnout even within the margin of error, although I think it does actively reflect the country's sentiment as a whole. We're going into unknown territory with regards to polling turnout and it's definitely in Trump's best interest to actively dissuade mail-in voting like he's been doing.