i dunno i value protection; even when i was in undergrad and working a job during the school year and 2 during the summers it was essential to have them. either way i think we are in tune they should be readily available and we just disagree on free vs very affordable.

bold; i agree that this is stupid. another dumb way to divide the sexes when they just want safe sex

At first I took the abortion debate as genuinely being about the "life begins at conception".

I only dropped this understanding for the "controlling women's bodies" narrative when this kind of thing just kept piling up.

You won't find a pro-lifer being against in-vitro fertilization, even though they would be considered death camps under the pro-life ideology, you won't see them advocating for access to birth control, you don't see them actually pushing pro-family policies, etc. etc.

Yeah, there's the rare one-off, but the movement as a whole is not pro life, pro family, or whatever pro they want to make it. There's just too much evidence that the core of the movement is not about what they say it is, and all the rhetoric and policy says it's about control.

both major political parties have their ways of attempting to control women. just like almost every pro-abortion crusader was born to someone who values life. and almost every hardline pro-life radical has a preset contingency on which lives are worth protecting

i tend to stay out of the abortion debate. its too complicated to be so brazen one way or another

Your criticism doesn't really make sense.

This one is so simple for me. Pile up the fetuses and conservative bodies and grind them into catfood. Cats are better than people.

My cat is draped across my lap purring and just generally wanting me to stop doing what I'm doing and pay attention to him.

The average cat is better than 98% of people.

Lol no they wouldn't. Explain the 'logic' to me.

Various types of fertilization treatments are there to help families conceive. Why would pro life people be against that?

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Jul 29 2020 06:54am

This topic has derailed hard

We will the age of Youtube 15 second clips.

Dems are also trash so that doesn't help. They don't want him to answer - they just want to posture to get reelected by their brainwashed constituents.

"OmG, Did YoU sEe ThE FaCeBoOk ViD i PoStEd"

Trash - get em out. Term limits.

In vitro fertilization fertilizes dozens of eggs in a Petri dish and implants a few.

Dozens to hundreds are then discarded.

If you really believe life begins at conception this is absolutely unacceptable