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Jul 20 2020 04:18pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jul 20 2020 04:50pm)
This is something that happens in medical schools as well. A D.O. school isn't going to even look at the application of a 4.0 with a 99th percentile MCAT because they know there's no way they're actually going to attend.


Quote (thundercock @ Jul 20 2020 04:48pm)
You were probably overqualified and they knew you weren't going to attend the university. A buddy of mine got rejected from UCSD yet got into Cornell and Cal. It happens.


naw, I heard it from the dean himself after I graduated there
He asked me why I didn't just bring it to the admissions officers and raise a stink at the time and told me how they would have smoothed it over and let me in anyway to avoid any risk of exposure, this rankled him too. Instead I applied to their sister school, got accepted, immediately turned around and used an online transfer program that automatically accepted me back into the same college that turned me down. I would rather break their system and force my way around their bullshit to spite them than take their apology. Academia was never for me and I didn't miss a thing compared to going to an ivy league like my bro
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Jul 20 2020 04:22pm
Anyone thinking that those virtue signalling faux-woke suburban whites (who have trended R->D in recent years) would really support a plan to have their children bused into underfunded majority minority inner-city schools is a complete and utter fool.

If there is one policy to turn whites into a monolithic voting bloc for the GOP, this is it.
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Jul 20 2020 04:30pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 20 Jul 2020 22:56)
That can't be true. I was just told in another thread that the main stream left position is exactly that!


Iirc, thundercock gave an imprecise and therefore misleading quote. I actually listened to same podcast he was referring to when it came out a couple of days ago, and their point was more nuanced.

Polling shows that overt, personalized consideration of race (or gender) in college admissions or job applications is not popular, neither among whites nor among blacks. Non-personalized efforts at achieving racial equity poll significantly better, like for example the classical affirmative action step of lowering the SAT threshholds for underrepresented ethnicities.

edit: here's the link to the podcast: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/politics-podcast-how-white-democrats-feel-about-policies-aimed-at-reducing-racial-inequalities/

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the best high schools in my state have lower per student spending than the worst, failing inner city schools, and by pretty big margins
Wayzata district/high spends $14,783 per student and has average 81.8% math proficiency and 78.6% reading proficiency (69% white, 17% asian, 6% black)
https://nces.ed.gov/ccd/districtsearch/district_detail.asp?Search=1&Zip=55441&Miles=15&ID2=2742160
https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MN/schools/4216001765/school.aspx
Minneapolis district spends $19,482 per student and lets pick out Wellstone International High as our example, with an average 0.00% math proficiency (27.2% for the district total) and 0.00% reading proficiency (41.9% for the district) (52% black, 43% hispanic, 4% asian)
https://nces.ed.gov/ccd/districtsearch/district_detail.asp?ID2=2721240
https://www.schooldigger.com/go/MN/schools/2124003107/school.aspx


Like I said, it won't solve everything but it's a starting point. On average, a majority of POC schools get significantly less funding than their white counterparts.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 20 2020 03:22pm)
Anyone thinking that those virtue signalling faux-woke suburban whites (who have trended R->D in recent years) would really support a plan to have their children bused into underfunded majority minority inner-city schools is a complete and utter fool.

If there is one policy to turn whites into a monolithic voting bloc for the GOP, this is it.


Of course not. You should do it anyway and shame them. Busing WORKED in the South but it FAILED in the North because of the very same faux-woke whites.
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Like I said, it won't solve everything but it's a starting point. On average, a majority of POC schools get significantly less funding than their white counterparts.


do they?
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-center-chalkboard/2017/05/25/do-school-districts-spend-less-money-on-poor-and-minority-students/

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We find that, on average, poor and minority students receive between 1-2 percent more resources than non-poor or white students in their districts, equivalent to about $65 per pupil. Although average within-district spending on poor and minority students is positive, not all districts spend more money on these students—in the most unequal districts, they receive between $300-$500 less per pupil.


I think that 'equal spending' would result in taking away money from POC schools in general, but in specific it would absolutely destroy the failing inner city money holes swallowing up disproportionate resources
My impression, without the numbers to back it up, is that there's a lot of shitty urban black schools that liberal democrats keep throwing money at with more and more state/local tax money siphoned into them without any improvement in test results. Usually I assume its just wasting resources on unteachable students and giving them advantages they won't utilize (look at NYC's overtly racist program that gives special tutoring for the high school admission exam only to poor black/hispanic kids and not poor asian kids- the latter wind up winning virtually all the seats), but at least some it is purely greed/outright graft like in Oakland, just pocketing it to public employees for nothing extra in return. Its part of why school vouchers are so controversial when Republicans push it, because it would mean losing that money hose being spewed at the urban schools as black parents would much rather raise their kids in a non-shithole and actually give them a chance at life. Its also why even if overall the rates may be fairly close, +1-2%, leveling out the spending would neuter those already failing schools.

also I guess it takes a lot of extra money to pay for metal detectors, armed security guards and bulletproof glass

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 20 2020 06:22pm)
Anyone thinking that those virtue signalling faux-woke suburban whites (who have trended R->D in recent years) would really support a plan to have their children bused into underfunded majority minority inner-city schools is a complete and utter fool.

If there is one policy to turn whites into a monolithic voting bloc for the GOP, this is it.


That happened. I'm pretty sure he was referencing inner-city busing from the 80s and 90s. I thought it was funny.

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also just right now I stumbled onto a debate over this very thing going on in South Carolina as Gov. McMaster proposed a Covid-19 relief account in the CARES act that gives $32 million for private vouchers
https://twitter.com/BenteKlinge/status/1285337739609739264
https://twitter.com/ThomasMcElveen/status/1285320714808111104

the average private school tuition in the state is $6745. The average public school spending per student is $13,601. The grants give $6500 per student in vouchers to go to private schools. Senator McElveen (D) argues strongly against it, questioning what $6500 per student can accomplish (96% of all tuition on average...?) Reason's director of school choice / Cato institute Corey DeAngelis calls him out on it, saying "Low-income families are voluntary choosing to take about half of the amount of education dollars they would have gotten in the public schools. That speaks volumes."
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Quote (Goomshill @ 20 Jul 2020 19:18)
also just right now I stumbled onto a debate over this very thing going on in South Carolina as Gov. McMaster proposed a Covid-19 relief account in the CARES act that gives $32 million for private vouchers
https://twitter.com/BenteKlinge/status/1285337739609739264
https://twitter.com/ThomasMcElveen/status/1285320714808111104

the average private school tuition in the state is $6745. The average public school spending per student is $13,601. The grants give $6500 per student in vouchers to go to private schools. Senator McElveen (D) argues strongly against it, questioning what $6500 per student can accomplish (96% of all tuition on average...?) Reason's director of school choice / Cato institute Corey DeAngelis calls him out on it, saying "Low-income families are voluntary choosing to take about half of the amount of education dollars they would have gotten in the public schools. That speaks volumes."


so some pale pasty privileged lefties are mad private primary and secondary schools (where plenty of minority children attend) are getting a $6.5k per student one-time relief amount, but gloss over that public schools get $13.6k per student per year every year, drawn from all taxpayers who pay into the system no matter where their kids (if they have them) go to school
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Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 20 2020 05:43pm)
do they?
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-center-chalkboard/2017/05/25/do-school-districts-spend-less-money-on-poor-and-minority-students/

I think that 'equal spending' would result in taking away money from POC schools in general, but in specific it would absolutely destroy the failing inner city money holes swallowing up disproportionate resources
My impression, without the numbers to back it up, is that there's a lot of shitty urban black schools that liberal democrats keep throwing money at with more and more state/local tax money siphoned into them without any improvement in test results. Usually I assume its just wasting resources on unteachable students and giving them advantages they won't utilize (look at NYC's overtly racist program that gives special tutoring for the high school admission exam only to poor black/hispanic kids and not poor asian kids- the latter wind up winning virtually all the seats), but at least some it is purely greed/outright graft like in Oakland, just pocketing it to public employees for nothing extra in return. Its part of why school vouchers are so controversial when Republicans push it, because it would mean losing that money hose being spewed at the urban schools as black parents would much rather raise their kids in a non-shithole and actually give them a chance at life. Its also why even if overall the rates may be fairly close, +1-2%, leveling out the spending would neuter those already failing schools.

also I guess it takes a lot of extra money to pay for metal detectors, armed security guards and bulletproof glass


What about between the districts? It's not really surprising that within districts schools spend the same on pupils, but different races are probably disproportionately going to different districts.
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