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Jul 20 2020 04:37pm
https://gothamist.com/news/video-ladies-night-lawyer-gets-roasted-on-colbert

apparently The Colbert Report featured Roy Den Hollander in an episode back in 2011
I can't find a copy of the original video that works, it would be Season 7 Episode 44 (7044), No. 857, guess Piers Gibbon
not gonna pay money for it or bother torrenting, not worth my time

/e The Daily Beast updated their article;

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One law-enforcement source said papers that mentioned Angelucci were found in or around Den Hollander’s car, though the nature of them was not clear and would not necessarily be unusual for one men’s rights attorney to have documents that named another.




This post was edited by Goomshill on Jul 20 2020 04:54pm
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Jul 20 2020 05:35pm
I gotta go back to being productive but I found one more source to confirm this, I missed this from a week ago;
https://dawgonnit.com/2020/07/14/california-attorney-assassinated/

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On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 4:03 p.m. Twin Peaks Sheriff’s deputies responded to a report of a shooting at 22400 Glenwood Drive.
Upon arrival deputies found the victim, later identified as Marc Angelucci, unresponsive and suffering from apparent gunshot wounds.
Medical aid also responded and Angelucci was pronounced deceased at the scene.
The investigation is ongoing. The motive for the shooting is unknown at this time.
According to witnesses a white “skinny” male approximately, 40 to 50-years-old with salt and pepper colored hair (either black with gray or dark brown with gray),
Approached Marc’s front door and one of his roommates opened and greeted the man.
Posing as a package delivery driver the man asked if the roommate was Marc Angelucci.
When the roommate stated he wasn’t but that he could take the package for Marc, the assassin stated Marc needed to personally sign for it.
His roommate went back inside and informed Marc who then came to the door to sign for the package.
Witnesses stated that the assassin was heard asking the victim if his name was Marc.
The victim was heard confirming it was before four gunshots rang out.
A white vehicle with a sunroof is the only suspected getaway vehicle description and as the investigation proceeds the information may change


and the picture of Roy Hollander:



This post was edited by Goomshill on Jul 20 2020 05:36pm
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Jul 20 2020 05:52pm
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On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 4:03 p.m. Twin Peaks Sheriff’s deputies responded to a report of a shooting at 22400 Glenwood Drive.
Upon arrival deputies found the victim, later identified as Marc Angelucci, unresponsive and suffering from apparent gunshot wounds.
Medical aid also responded and Angelucci was pronounced deceased at the scene.
The investigation is ongoing. The motive for the shooting is unknown at this time.
According to witnesses a white “skinny” male approximately, 40 to 50-years-old with salt and pepper colored hair (either black with gray or dark brown with gray),
Approached Marc’s front door and one of his roommates opened and greeted the man.
Posing as a package delivery driver the man asked if the roommate was Marc Angelucci.
When the roommate stated he wasn’t but that he could take the package for Marc, the assassin stated Marc needed to personally sign for it.
His roommate went back inside and informed Marc who then came to the door to sign for the package.
Witnesses stated that the assassin was heard asking the victim if his name was Marc.
The victim was heard confirming it was before four gunshots rang out.
A white vehicle with a sunroof is the only suspected getaway vehicle description and as the investigation proceeds the information may change


details don't add up, sorry. If Hollander was the killer, he wouldn't have needed to ask Marc if his name was Marc. They knew each other. He would have simply fired without asking.

Of course, a non-believer is going to say that Hollander went through the extra step of asking the name just to trick detectives into thinking that the killer was unknown to the victim. My answer to that would be: Everything that makes Hollander look guilty was done to cover the tracks of the framejob. We can just play the "I programmed you to think that" game down to two hundred levels of contrivance.

The much simpler explanation for the deliveryman scheme is that it was a hired killer. He had a name and an address. He needed to make sure his victim was the right person. The exchange with the roommates is perfectly consistent with how that conversation would go (no contrivances needed)

Bottom line, the whole story just doesn't add up. The person who has the most to gain from all 3 killings is someone who wanted to shut down the male-draft case. Hollander does not fit the profile of the killer.

This post was edited by Kayeto on Jul 20 2020 05:55pm
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Jul 20 2020 07:48pm
From what I can tell, Marc Angelucci and Roy Hollander didn't know each other. Never worked together, lived on opposite ends of the country, and Hollander was exactly the kind of radical that Angelucci spent his whole life trying to avoid.
It does make sense that Judge Salas or maybe even her family might recognize Hollander since he was in her courtroom and had some limited media coverage.

/e also:
https://news.yahoo.com/suspect-shooting-death-federal-judges-172003085.html

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Law enforcement officials said they found printed material in Hollander's car about Salas, Angelucci and Janet DiFiore, chief judge of the New York Court of Appeals and of the State of New York. The officials said the FBI briefed DiFiore about the discovery.


dodged a bullet there DiFiore

new york times finally caught up with me:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/20/nyregion/esther-salas.html

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Two law enforcement officials, cautioning that the investigation was in its earliest stages, said federal authorities were examining whether Mr. Den Hollander might be linked to the July 11 killing of another men’s rights lawyer, Marc Angelucci, in San Bernardino County, Calif.
Mr. Angelucci was shot at his front door by a gunman wearing a FedEx uniform, one of the officials said.


This post was edited by Goomshill on Jul 20 2020 07:55pm
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Jul 20 2020 09:59pm
and last piece of the puzzle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwyeR2_N01c

Paul Elam, one of the major MRA players, opens up about how he knew that Roy Hollander was extremely angry and hateful towards Marc Angelucci because he viewed the male-draft case as "his domain".
He already had concerns about Hollander and knew he was unstable. It was a longstanding grudge, and Hollander was angry over how slowly his case was moving in the courts.
Hollander was briefly invited to write for the MRA publication AVFM by Paul Elam in its early days, but they almost instantly kicked him out and redid their rules to be more strict when his first column was evoked violent themes less than subtlely and suggested that men's rights could be obtained by access to 'one form of power men still have in their lives: firearms". The New York Times just cited this in their updated story:

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Mr. Den Hollander seemed to presage the violence that took place over the weekend in a 2010 article he wrote for A Voice for Men, a men’s rights website.

“The future prospect of the Men’s Movement raising enough money to exercise some influence in America is unlikely,” he wrote. “But there is one remaining source of power in which men still have a near monopoly — firearms.”


The AVFM guys take issue with the NYT and call them fake news for not reaching out for comment / not putting it into the context that they immediately parted ways with him after that.
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Jul 21 2020 11:00am
im getting info that Hollander wasn't just an MRA guy but highly litigious in many avenues. Sued Jim Norton for defamation based on a radio show appearance on their shock-jock program. sounds like he'd been deranged and threatened violence a lot, challenged Norton to fly to south america for a duel with pistols lol.
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