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Jul 18 2020 02:38pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 18 2020 03:26pm)
The St. John's Church photo op was a big mistake by Trump, the symbolism backfired badly on him, and his polls suggest that this moment was a turning point (for the worse) in his campaign. It was still only one occasion though. Neither Trump nor governors have ordered troops to violently quell peaceful protests across the country.

If you look at the Western history of the past 150 or so years, most countries which were firmly democratic would have reacted to the looting, arson and violence that was taking place in the wake of the BLM protests with more force than what the U.S. ended up using. One might argue that Trump is a proto-fascist who'd erect a dictatorship around himself if he could, but it's still a fact that institutions, the (still very free!!) media and public opinion immediately punished him very hard for this fascistic display.


Yes, indeed they did. I just think it's a mistake to say he "supported peaceful protests at first", and I agree that if he could he would be a proto-fascist that tries to send us down that path.

I think we're handling protests far better than were handled during, say, the civil rights era, in that we're not turning the fire hoses and dogs on the protesters. The current police brutality against minorities is a direct extension of that kind of abuse, in a directly linear and time dependent fashion.
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Jul 18 2020 02:47pm
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Yes, indeed they did. I just think it's a mistake to say he "supported peaceful protests at first", and I agree that if he could he would be a proto-fascist that tries to send us down that path.

I think we're handling protests far better than were handled during, say, the civil rights era, in that we're not turning the fire hoses and dogs on the protesters. The current police brutality against minorities is a direct extension of that kind of abuse, in a directly linear and time dependent fashion.


Honestly, I think Trump dodged a bullet when he shied away from sending the national guard to quell these protests. I, personally, would have liked a slightly more resolute prosecution of the crimes that took place in the orbit of these protests by local law enforcement, but overall, I think that Trump's handling of the protests was quite decent, with the one exception of that Church photo op. His problem is just that it's inherently a super unfavorable topic for him. As long as it's dominating the news cycles, he's destined to lose ground in the polls.

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Jul 18 2020 02:53pm
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Honestly, I think Trump dodged a bullet when he shied away from sending the national guard to quell these protests. I, personally, would have liked a slightly more resolute prosecution of the crimes that took place in the orbit of these protests by local law enforcement, but overall, I think that Trump's handling of the protests was quite decent, with the one exception of that Church photo op. His problem is just that it's inherently a super unfavorable topic for him. As long as it's dominating the news cycles, he's destined to lose ground in the polls.


He's threatened multiple governors and defended the Confederate flag. He's done an incredibly shitty job but he boxed himself in.
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Jul 18 2020 03:28pm
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Honestly, I think Trump dodged a bullet when he shied away from sending the national guard to quell these protests. I, personally, would have liked a slightly more resolute prosecution of the crimes that took place in the orbit of these protests by local law enforcement, but overall, I think that Trump's handling of the protests was quite decent, with the one exception of that Church photo op. His problem is just that it's inherently a super unfavorable topic for him. As long as it's dominating the news cycles, he's destined to lose ground in the polls.


I think your thinking Trump handled this well is your bias talking.

Trump stoked the flames the entire time lol
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Jul 18 2020 03:48pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 18 2020 04:26pm)
The St. John's Church photo op was a big mistake by Trump, the symbolism backfired badly on him, and his polls suggest that this moment was a turning point (for the worse) in his campaign.


This is a bullshit take.

Criminal leftists burned churches across the country. It was a symbol of bravery and solidarity.

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Jul 18 2020 04:16pm
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I think your thinking Trump handled this well is your bias talking.

Trump stoked the flames the entire time lol


He was condemning the actions of Derek Chauvin and tried to strike a concilatory tone at first. But the protests immediately turned into a general anti-police and "overthrow the order of the country"-sentiment, coupled with unrest and violence. At this point, Trump had to position himself against this (now predominant) aspect of the protests. And let's not forget that both protesters and liberal media were very quick to blame Trump for the situation, along the lines of "this is Trump's America, he has emboldened the racists all across the country".

The truth is that Trump was the wrong person to bring the country together during these protests, it was impossible based on who he is and which platform he's representing. In this sense, it's the reversal of the situation Obama found himself in with the Ferguson protests, where Obama also happened to be the wrong person to reconcile the country.
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Jul 18 2020 04:43pm
If anyone can put on camouflage and rent a van and snatch people off the streets right in front of the cops, what’s to stop sex traffickers from pretending to be these unmarked federal stormtroopers and grabbing women right off the streets and shoving them into unmarked vans?
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Jul 18 2020 04:47pm
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This is a bullshit take.

Criminal leftists burned churches across the country. It was a symbol of bravery and solidarity.



You mean criminal right wingers.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a39051/conservatives-real-war-on-christmas/

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/a-black-church-burned-in-the-name-of-trump/506246/

https://www.salon.com/2015/10/22/this_is_right_wing_terrorism_the_frightening_new_rise_of_church_and_clinic_arson_and_why_you_wont_hear_about_it_on_fox_news/

We've got more than a century of well-documented right wing terrorism in this country.
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Jul 18 2020 05:13pm
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People like you that don't understand statistics shouldnt be allowed to open their mouths in public or anywhere else. Your lies are satan's poison.
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Jul 18 2020 05:14pm
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People like you that don't understand statistics shouldnt be allowed to open their mouths in public or anywhere else. Your lies are satan's poison.


You don't even know the basics of statistics lol
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