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tldr: they are using a needlessly unwiedly acronym to stress the point that african americans occupy a higher rank in the oppression olympics than other brown people?!


The distinction is more horizontal, not vertical or hierarchical.
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The distinction is more horizontal, not vertical or hierarchical.


But isnt the point that the systemic discrimination faced by blacks and indigenous people in America is more significant, more long- and deep-running than that faced by other PoC?
Seems a vertical distinction to me. And considering how the SJW left conditions the things a person is allowed to say or not say on how many intersectionality points he/she/zhe has, a vertical differentiation automatically implies a hierarchy of oppression.
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But isnt the point that the systemic discrimination faced by blacks and indigenous people in America is more significant, more long- and deep-running than that faced by other PoC?
Seems a vertical distinction to me. And considering how the SJW left conditions the things a person is allowed to say or not say on how many intersectionality points he/she/zhe has, a vertical differentiation automatically implies a hierarchy of oppression.

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But isnt the point that the systemic discrimination faced by blacks and indigenous people in America is more significant, more long- and deep-running than that faced by other PoC?
Seems a vertical distinction to me. And considering how the SJW left conditions the things a person is allowed to say or not say on how many intersectionality points he/she/zhe has, a vertical differentiation automatically implies a hierarchy of oppression.


Individual issues may become more applicable or vertical respective to different minority groups, but all are blighted by white supremacy.
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Individual issues may become more applicable or vertical respective to different minority groups, but all are blighted by white supremacy.


I dont know... imho, the term "People of Color" does a really good job at capturing the essence of the underlying conflict; at uniting all the folks suffering from white supremacy and pitting them against their oppressors.

What it really comes down to, imho, is that all PoC share a common experience of discrimination and a common interest in seeing this discrimination pushed back. Distinguishing the experiences faced by an East Asian man from those experienced by a lesbian transsexual black woman can be reserved for insider debates or academic discourse. But when it comes to the political sphere and the media, bloat only weakens the message.

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I dont know... imho, the term "People of Color" does a really good job at capturing the essence of the underlying conflict; at uniting all the folks suffering from white supremacy and pitting them against their oppressors.

What it really comes down to, imho, is that all PoC share a common experience of discrimination and a common interest in seeing this discrimination pushed back. Distinguishing the experiences faced by an East Asian man from those experienced by a lesbian transsexual black woman can be reserved for insider debates or academic discourse. However, when it comes to the political sphere and the media, bloat only weakens the message.


Perhaps. At the of the day, some use "POC", others use "BIPOC", and some many others use something(s) else. In essence, they are just different ways about talking about the same or similar issues.
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Jul 4 2020 08:46pm
The really important issue here is that saviorism, isn't even a word. This oppression of the English language must stop.

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Perhaps. At the of the day, some use "POC", others use "BIPOC", and some many others use something(s) else. In essence, they are just different ways about talking about the same or similar issues.


Liberal forces are shooting themselves in the foot when they constantly change their own terminology because they've found yet another group of oppressed people or feel the need to let the world know that group A is even more oppressed than group B. At some point, those not engaged in these debates stop taking them serious.

A prime example is the evolution of the terminology used for the fight for sexual inclusion:

"Gay rights"
"Gay and Lesbian rights"
LGBT
LGBTQ
LGBTIQ
LGBTIQ*
LGBTIQ*#§~%&

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Liberal forces are shooting themselves in the foot when they constantly change their own terminology because they've found yet another group of oppressed people or feel the need to let the world know that group A is even more oppressed than group B. At some point, those not engaged in these debates stop taking them serious.

A prime example is the evolution of the terminology used for the fight for sexual inclusion:

"Gay rights"
"Gay and Lesbian rights"
LGBT
LGBTQ
LGBTIQ
LGBTIQ*
LGBTIQ*#§~%&


I disagree. Someone who is either apathetic or opposed to queer liberation is such because of reasons that have altogether nothing to do with the specific language or words being used at any given time.
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