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Jun 30 2020 05:37pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Jun 30 2020 07:34pm)
He was just following orders (from the MSM)


Zing

Last weeks headlines were literally kill the cops
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Jun 30 2020 05:55pm
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just like our ancestors we defeated the evil national-socialist my friend!

what he actually did was post some of his personal “fetish” material which is definitely warn-worthy


Oh my. Quite the scandal, my friend!
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Jun 30 2020 07:54pm
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Same people freaking out about this freaked out over the killing of Soleimeni (the man responsible for thousands of American deaths).

LOL



I'd be totally fine with Iran assassinating Trump in the exact manner Trump assassinated Soleimani. I certainly wouldn't cry. I'M NOT ENDORSING IT OF COURSE (hello Deep State friends at the FBI!) but who would even care other than sad, mostly white conservative shitstains? In fact, I would be OK with a military coup of Trump at this point (the Pentagon seems close to doing this already TBH). He deserves it and America needs a reboot. More people would certainly cheer and celebrate his demise than those who are interested in his pathetic rallies where he shows off his manly ability to barely sip a fucking glass of water.

Soleimani was also a freedom fighter. The United States drew first blood, and drew it overseas in a land they have no claim to or legitimate purpose being involved in. He was merely defending his homeland from an overseas aggressor. If China invaded here (or Canada with the stated purpose of installing military base from which to attack us) would you not fight them, or are you a fucking pussy? Trump is an imperialist who is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of innocent civilians. It is clear based on facts that Soleimani's assassination was a war crime but Trump's would simply be justice if the military carried it out. Trump sold his own people to a foreign power; Soleimani was protecting his own. Massive difference. Trump is a traitor, and the Constitution is very clear about what the punishment is for traitors. Hint: it's what white-robed red hats like you want to do to black people.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Jun 30 2020 08:36pm
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Zing

Last weeks headlines were literally kill the cops


Only right wingers are out to kill cops. Boogaloo. Black Panthers are being peaceful.
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Jun 30 2020 09:15pm
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Only right wingers are out to kill cops. Boogaloo. Black Panthers are being peaceful.


You literally have entire crowds of Antifa/BLM/marxist mobs shouting "fuck the police", painting "save a life kill a cop", one of the main terminology that they use is ACAB.

Stop kidding yourself.

They're constantly assaulting the police. Burning police vehicles. Shooting at police. Weeks ago, there was 700+ cops injured.

Additionally add on all of the offenses these "peaceful protestors" have committed towards citizens and property.

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Only right wingers are out to kill cops. Boogaloo. Black Panthers are being peaceful.


Don't get your panties in a bunch. Your Democrat party is racist and they hate cops.
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Jun 30 2020 09:45pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jun 30 2020 08:23pm)
Don't get your panties in a bunch. Your Democrat party is racist and they hate cops.



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Quote (GLYC123 @ Jun 30 2020 11:15pm)
You literally have entire crowds of Antifa/BLM/marxist mobs shouting "fuck the police", painting "save a life kill a cop", one of the main terminology that they use is ACAB.

Stop kidding yourself.

They're constantly assaulting the police. Burning police vehicles. Shooting at police. Weeks ago, there was 700+ cops injured.

Additionally add on all of the offenses these "peaceful protestors" have committed towards citizens and property.


Fake news. Turn off hannity lies.


Quote (EndlessSky @ Jun 30 2020 11:23pm)
Don't get your panties in a bunch. Your Democrat party is racist and they hate cops.


Fake news.

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Jul 3 2020 10:16am
A good skeptical look at the story from the dutch anti-Putin site, so its interesting to see them go against their obvious bias to debunk this story;
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/07/03/the-talibangate-claims-about-russian-bounties-still-dont-add-up-a70772

Most notably, this story lacks any coherent motive. What's supposed to be the reason Russia would take such an aggressive and escalatory risk? Its not going to have any substantial impact on our middle east foreign policy, we're leaving Afghanistan either way, Trump was openly negotiating that since before this was alleged. As "revenge" for the deaths of Russian mercenaries in Syria makes no sense, because that was US troops defending themselves from an attack and Russia's own fuck-up in deconfliction, and it wouldn't be tit-for-tat retaliation to target US citizens instead of US proxies anyway. And those exact same GRU units were already known to have sat back and not authorized any conflicts with the US in Syria, and nobody in Russian leadership seemed to even give a shit about that incident, no protestation, if anything it was more of a mea culpa from the Kremlin. So we've got a claim of Russia making an extremely dangerous escalation with the US at a time and way that doesn't whatsoever serve their geopolitical interests, with a risk of backfiring that would absolutely harm their geopolitical interests.

And then the New York Times claimed this was evidence by bank transfers to Afghans that were recorded in major international banks

wait. Did anyone stop to think for even one second when they printed that followup?
Why the fuck would a secret Russian GRU program that needs to be hidden from the eyes of the US to not backfire, send their money through official channels with documentation in entities accessible to the US government?
That's abundant reason to doubt this story, not to confirm it. Think logically for christssake. Why wouldn't they just send the money through secret channels? They're already openly sending the Taliban weapons, they could just throw cash into those same containers.

Theres a far more rational and obvious explanation for Russia sending the Taliban cash: They're buying geopolitical influence. They're bribing tribal leaders and building connections to establish a foothold in the power vacuum that will exist after the US withdrawal:

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Moscow had greeted the U.S.-Taliban agreement paving the way for a withdrawal of American forces with satisfaction. They were happy to see Washington draw down its commitments across the Middle East, not least as it gives the Russians a chance to play a more substantial role on the cheap.

The Russians need to limit and monitor the Afghan heroin trade (Russia has the highest per-capita consumption in the world). They are also desperate to prevent Afghanistan from becoming a source of transnational jihadism spreading into Central Asia and thence Russia.

To this end, they have identified Islamic State, and specifically its resurgent local branch, Islamic State-Khorasan (IS-K), as the main threat. They maintain relationships with the Taliban especially because they see them as a useful counter to IS-K, and seek to develop networks of other allies across the country for both military and intelligence-gathering reasons.

These hard-nosed Afghan warlords do not cooperate with Moscow out of altruism or good-neighborliness. In today’s Afghanistan — just as the British and the Russians found during the “Great Game” of the nineteenth century — alliances are bought with blood, arms, and cash. Certainly, the U.S. has not shied away from such pragmatic behavior.

The Russians are already supplying the Taliban weapons. Let’s suppose they have a wider program to establish networks of contacts and proxies in-country, one that involves direct payments as well as the involvement of a hawala-broker. If sending a suitcase of dollars to a warlord in the hills around Kandahar, for example, they will want to make sure it gets to its destination. This sounds like a job for the tough throat-slitters of Unit 29155.

(Besides, the Taliban’s involvement in the opium trade means it is, to quote The New York Times, “awash with cash” — finding large sums in one of their headquarters is hardly a surprise.)


Russia has obvious geopolitical interests in ex-soviet occupied Afghanistan combined with no aversion to corruption and an established supply line.
The New York Times thinks that a money trail the Russians aren't even bothering to obfuscate let alone cover up, is somehow proof of a secret conspiracy to kill Americans in order to get revenge for the deaths of pawns the Russians truly never gave one solitary shit about in the first place.
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Jul 3 2020 02:09pm
The pentagon also denies any evidence. But does the average pleb even care anymore. The damage is done. Another shitsack fake news bomb.
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