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Jun 29 2020 09:55am
Quote (IceMage @ Jun 29 2020 11:27am)
Right now it seems far more likely that Trump and others in his administration are lying. Many outlets, including Fox News, have confirmed the story. It's also been confirmed by British outlets as well.

After all this time, it's pretty extraordinary that Trump still has credibility with you guys, lol. This lie will probably be revealed in a matter of days.



Russia is offering bounties for dead American troops, and the response from some cultists is "Trump can't respond in any way". Russia offering bounties for dead American troops is a nothingburger?

Do you people ever step back and listen to yourselves? Do you realize how ridiculous you sound?


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Jun 29 2020 09:59am
Quote (djman72 @ 29 Jun 2020 11:32)
Are we still Colluding with Russia or is that one dead?

yep. anti-American privileged lefties are listening to British ‘intelligence’ aka “news” agencies again. what after they nailed it with the steele “dossier” which sounded more like a fanfic written by one of our resident privileged lefties here
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Jun 29 2020 10:11am
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yep. anti-American privileged lefties are listening to British ‘intelligence’ aka “news” agencies again. what after they nailed it with the steele “dossier” which sounded more like a fanfic written by one of our resident privileged lefties here


we activate the double bonus if it turns out the british intel source of this claim is none other than Christopher Steele
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Jun 29 2020 10:48am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 29 2020 11:46am)
Have you stepped back and wondered how a news outlet can "confirm" a story about a claim from unknown intelligence sources, given by an anonymous source?
Either the intelligence community believes this, or they don't. Even if they could have documentation, or video, or whatever of it, the intel agencies would have to vet whether that material is real or fake.
So if the intel agencies actually did brief Trump yesterday and tell him that they believe this is bogus, then the NYT story is fake news.

Do you think the NYT sent out their own spies to infiltrate the Russian government and wiretap Vladimir Putin's phone to figure out if this was real or not?
Be real, their source is one person making this claim to them. The other outlets that "confirmed" it, spoke to that same source. If that source is wrong, if he's peddling bogus claims, then the story would still be fake.
That was exactly what happened with Christopher Steele and his dossier.


Right now you're claiming that Trump baldly lied both when he insisted he was never briefed, and again when he said he was briefed and the intel agencies insisted it was bogus. Those are pretty easily disprovable claims if they are lies and his story would have no chance of holding up. Do you think he'd tell such fallible lies? Its far more likely that he's telling the truth and this story is baloney.


Sure, that's how a lot of reporting is done, based on anonymous sourcing without documentation to back it up. Anyone who follows the news knows that, and they know it almost always results in completely accurate stories.

Trump's denying something that wasn't alleged, so either he's bad at words(obviously), or it's a non-denial. Ratcliffe simply denied that P/VP were briefed, which doesn't tell us whether the intel was accurate, whether the NSC had meetings on it, etc. It's unlikely that every American outlets is relying on the same sources, and obviously the British outlets aren't relying on American sources.

Trump is a pathological liar who doesn't face serious political or legal consequences for it. So it's bizarre to pretend that he won't tell easily disprovable lies, when he's done it many times before.
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Jun 29 2020 10:55am
It shouldn't be hard for the administration to produce Ratcliffe, Esper, Haspel, and others concluding that the intelligence was either nonexistent or not credible. Trump has no credibility whatsoever.
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Jun 29 2020 10:59am
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Sure, that's how a lot of reporting is done, based on anonymous sourcing without documentation to back it up. Anyone who follows the news knows that, and they know it almost always results in completely accurate stories.

Trump's denying something that wasn't alleged, so either he's bad at words(obviously), or it's a non-denial. Ratcliffe simply denied that P/VP were briefed, which doesn't tell us whether the intel was accurate, whether the NSC had meetings on it, etc. It's unlikely that every American outlets is relying on the same sources, and obviously the British outlets aren't relying on American sources.

Trump is a pathological liar who doesn't face serious political or legal consequences for it. So it's bizarre to pretend that he won't tell easily disprovable lies, when he's done it many times before.




Ratcliffe denied that Trump was briefed, Trump denied he was briefed. Neither denied veracity of claims.
Then the next day, after intel community had some time, Trump claimed he had now been briefed- and that the intel community had told him it was a non-credible piece of intel, which is why it was disregarded.
That intel could easily have been foreign sourced, like MI6

You are once again for the umpteenth time saying that because orange man liar you can assume he's lying about something that would be easily disproven and utterly destroy his presidency if he was lying about it, when the alternative explanation is that a story in the media claiming to be leaked from anonymous intelligence sources could just be wrong. This is not the first, second or third time we've been in this same situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MbimN4J268&feature=youtu.be

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Jun 29 2020 11:02am
BBC now has video of Russian agents paying Taliban soldiers stacks of cash after confirmed kills. But is there really proof that they are paying bounties? Couldn't it be something unrelated like opium? Let's not jump to conclusions here.
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Jun 29 2020 11:29am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 29 2020 12:59pm)
https://i.imgur.com/ohDKCIOg.jpg

Ratcliffe denied that Trump was briefed, Trump denied he was briefed. Neither denied veracity of claims.
Then the next day, after intel community had some time, Trump claimed he had now been briefed- and that the intel community had told him it was a non-credible piece of intel, which is why it was disregarded.
That intel could easily have been foreign sourced, like MI6

You are once again for the umpteenth time saying that because orange man liar you can assume he's lying about something that would be easily disproven and utterly destroy his presidency if he was lying about it, when the alternative explanation is that a story in the media claiming to be leaked from anonymous intelligence sources could just be wrong. This is not the first, second or third time we've been in this same situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MbimN4J268&feature=youtu.be

watch live when the press conference starts


You can pretend that's not true, but it certainly is. Anyone who follows news closely knows this.

If the intel is nonexistent or not credible, any competent administration would come out with their intel people and deny it. So far none have done that, as far as I know. It's possible all the outlets got it wrong, but it's a far more safe option to go with Trump lying. This wouldn't take down his presidency... that's absurd.
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Jun 29 2020 11:40am
PressSec says no consensus within intelligence community, and there's dissent on veracity. Won't say whether intel was in Presidential Daily Intel Brief.

The "no consensus" line seems like it probably applies to virtually all intelligence. It doesn't mean much unless further explained.

This post was edited by IceMage on Jun 29 2020 12:04pm
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Jun 29 2020 12:32pm
NATO officials say they were briefed: https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-bounty-us-soldiers-afghanistan-nato-officials-briefed-trump-denies-2020-6

Perhaps the intelligence community figured that it wasn't worth the President's time. He has a very limited attention span.
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