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Jun 17 2020 04:11pm
Quote (Santara @ Jun 17 2020 05:02pm)
I disagree. Nonspecific injuries were noted in the autopsy and cannot be discounted.


Not lifethreatening ones. They were all accounted for in the struggle or CPR, no? Getting a few scrapes and bruises won't make your heart explode.
Think he did specify them though, it was extensive. Mind the unformated copy&paste

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Oral endotracheal tube, correctly positioned in the trachea
and held in place on the face with a white and tan plastic
and elastic band
 Thoracostomy incision (3.6 cm maximum dimension, somewhat
ragged and V-shaped), right lateral chest (approximately
six superficial punctures and cuts, ranging from pinpoint
to 1.5 cm long, are adjacent to the thoracostomy)
 Thoracostomy incision (3.9 cm long, somewhat ragged and
linear), left lateral chest (a pinpoint cut or puncture is
just inferior to the thoracostomy)
 Curvilinear orange abrasions centered over the sternum
(10 cm maximum dimension aggregate), consistent with
cardiopulmonary resuscitation
 Intravascular catheter with attached segment of tubing,
taped in place just proximal to the left antecubital fossa
(the tape associated with this catheter has created a
localized area of skin slippage in the left antecubital
fossa)
 Needle puncture, just distal to the left antecubital fossa
 Intraosseous catheter with attached tubing, right tibia
 Intraosseous catheter with attached tubing, left tibia
 Intravascular catheter with attached tubing, taped in place
on the right groin
 Hospital tag, right great toe
 Hospital bracelets (2), right wrist
 Needle puncture, left groin
 Minimally hemorrhagic horizontal fracture in the sternum,
consistent with cardiopulmonary resuscitation
 Non-hemorrhagic fracture of the anterior left 4th rib,
consistent with cardiopulmonary resuscitation

4 cm maximum dimension abraded red-black-purple contusion,
lateral corner of left brow
 Pinpoint red abrasion, just left of the midline of the
forehead
 6.5 cm maximum dimension red-black abrasion, left cheek
 0.6 cm maximum dimension red abrasion, just inferior to
left corner of mouth
 0.8 cm maximum dimension curvilinear red avulsion, just
superior to right side of upper lip
Eight pinpoint to 0.2 cm maximum dimension red abrasions,
right side of nose
 Faint blue contusions on the body of the nose (3.5 cm),
right naris (1.5 cm), and left naris (1.0 cm)
 1.5 cm maximum dimension aggregate of pink-purple mucosal
abrasions and lacerations, upper lip
 2 cm maximum dimension aggregate of pink-orange mucosal
abrasions and lacerations, lower lip

8 cm maximum dimension purple contusion with 4.5 cm maximum
dimension aggregate of linear red abrasions, anterolateral
right shoulder
 2 cm maximum dimension red L-shaped scratch, superior right
shoulder
 14 cm maximum dimension pink-purple contusion with a
discontinuous 8 cm maximum dimension dried red-black
abrasion, left shoulder
 0.2 cm maximum dimension red abrasion, just medial to the
right elbow
 3 cm maximum dimension faint pink contusion, just medial to
the left elbow
 Pinpoint red abrasion, just medial and distal to the left
elbow
 1.5 cm maximum dimension purple contusion, proximal right
shin
 2.5 cm maximum dimension aggregate of red abrasions, distal
right shin
 0.3 cm maximum dimension red abrasion over the left calf


1.4 cm maximum dimension red and dried black abrasion,
dorsum of proximal interphalangeal joint, right index
finger
 Two 0.8 cm maximum dimension red and focally dried black
abrasions, dorsum of proximal interphalangeal joint, right
middle finger
 Circumferential, discontinuous, 3.5 cm maximum width,
roughly parallel pink-purple contusions encircling the
right wrist, with areas of superimposed abrasions up to 1.2
cm maximum dimension; a 0.9 cm long superficial red scratch
is on the lateral right wrist between the patterned
contusion and the hand
Circumferential, discontinuous, 2.5 cm maximum width,
roughly parallel pink-purple contusions encircling the left
wrist, with areas of superimposed abrasions up to 1.3 cm
maximum dimension
- On the anterolateral left wrist, in a 3.5 cm long
area, the injury transitions to a dried yellow-black
abraded furrow before blending into the anterior wrist
crease
 2.2 cm maximum dimension purple contusion, dorsum of left
hand


Nothing serious there
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Jun 17 2020 04:31pm
Are these lobotomites still calling the cop a murderer? Even though there is no evidence? Even though the evidence that exists clearly suggests excited delirium?

RIP enlightenment morality.
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Jun 17 2020 04:40pm
Quote (ReturnFormer @ Jun 17 2020 04:02pm)
civil rights activist jarrett maupin reversed his opinion and instead promoted compliance with police.


I don't see how "compliance with police" is a view that opposes civil rights activism. Obviously people should comply with police. But just because someone complies doesn't make it impossible for the police to abuse their authority. Preventing the abuse of authority is what this is all about. We need to change the system so that "compliance with police" results in death less often.
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Jun 17 2020 04:41pm
Quote (Kayeto @ 17 Jun 2020 18:40)
I don't see how "compliance with police" is a view that opposes civil rights activism. Obviously people should comply with police. But just because someone complies doesn't make it impossible for the police to abuse their authority. Preventing the abuse of authority is what this is all about. We need to change the system so that "compliance with police" results in death less often.


its 2020, people are not 'allowed' to have viewpoints that might slightly conflict with each other. the media said so
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Jun 17 2020 04:43pm
Quote (Kayeto @ Jun 17 2020 06:40pm)
I don't see how "compliance with police" is a view that opposes civil rights activism. Obviously people should comply with police. But just because someone complies doesn't make it impossible for the police to abuse their authority. Preventing the abuse of authority is what this is all about. We need to change the system so that "compliance with police" results in death less often.


Compliance with police doesn't result in death.
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Jun 17 2020 04:45pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jun 17 2020 06:43pm)
Compliance with police doesn't result in death.


Amadou Diallo
Freddie Gray
Eric Garner
Daniel Shaver
Atatiana Jefferson

The only reason this is even a topic of discussion is because we have a long history in this country of compliant people being killed by police.

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Jun 17 2020 04:48pm
Quote (Kayeto @ 17 Jun 2020 18:45)
Amadou Diallo
Freddie Gray
Eric Garner
Daniel Shaver
Atatiana Jefferson


He also thinks excited delirium is a recognized medical condition.
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Jun 17 2020 04:48pm
Quote (Kayeto @ Jun 17 2020 06:40pm)
I don't see how "compliance with police" is a view that opposes civil rights activism. Obviously people should comply with police. But just because someone complies doesn't make it impossible for the police to abuse their authority. Preventing the abuse of authority is what this is all about. We need to change the system so that "compliance with police" results in death less often.


this is true. there are definitely isolated cases of police abusing their authority, and those should bring swift and thorough punishment upon the cops who perpetrated them so as to disabuse (pun intended) cops of the notion that they can abuse their power and get away with it.


the problem is that in 90% of the cases that get protested about, the situation began when the person they were trying to arrest resisted or was otherwise non-compliant. and the protestors ignore that fact trying to blame it on racism instead, when that rarely plays a factor.
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Jun 17 2020 04:49pm
Quote (Kayeto @ Jun 17 2020 06:45pm)
Amadou Diallo
Freddie Gray
Eric Garner
Daniel Shaver
Atatiana Jefferson

The only reason this is even a topic of discussion is because we have a long history in this country of compliant people being killed by police.


so, 5 people in 200 years of the country existing? pretty good rate, id say. doesnt really seem like a major issue.

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Jun 17 2020 04:53pm
Quote (ReturnFormer @ Jun 17 2020 06:48pm)
this is true. there are definitely isolated cases of police abusing their authority, and those should bring swift and thorough punishment upon the cops who perpetrated them so as to disabuse (pun intended) cops of the notion that they can abuse their power and get away with it.


Agreed. I really would have rather seen these riots on the heels of the Amadou Diallo case instead of Floyd's. The Floyd situation was a weird lightning rod (the straw that broke the camel's back) because of the timing, coming when people had been constrained by a pandemic shutdown

Quote (ReturnFormer @ Jun 17 2020 06:48pm)
the problem is that in 90% of the cases that get protested about, the situation began when the person they were trying to arrest resisted or was otherwise non-compliant. and the protestors ignore that fact trying to blame it on racism instead, when that rarely plays a factor.


That being said, the history of institutional racism does factor into the situation. It might not be the direct cause of Chauvin's overuse of force against Floyd. But culture of the department plays a role in allowing things to be this way (looking at you, Bob Kroll). It's impossible to untangle the institutional racism from the rest of the situation and focus on a simple, direct cause-and effect. They are indelibly linked.

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