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May 31 2020 03:26pm
It seems to me that the logic of burning down private property with the rationale of "protestors have no other choice", it isnt a stretch to me that that logic could easily justify the burning and looting of peoples homes. Private property is private property regardless if its commercial or residential. If its a protest of institutional racism and police brutality, shouldnt they be sticking to looting and burning the buildings that are the institution? I think what they are doing is seriously hurting their cause.
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May 31 2020 03:26pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ May 31 2020 05:24pm)
Go back and read my post, but without making the ludicrous assumption that I think business owners or businesses are public servants. My meaning will be clear.




I believe the topic is about RIOTS. The rioters ARE destroying totally innocent people's livelihood, for no reason.
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May 31 2020 03:33pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ May 31 2020 04:24pm)
Go back and read my post, but without making the ludicrous assumption that I think business owners or businesses are public servants. My meaning will be clear.


You explicitly stated "holding public servants accountable" in the previous reply when discussing the rioting/looting of private businesses. Unless you went completely off topic, you heavily implied it.
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May 31 2020 03:34pm
Quote (duffman316 @ 31 May 2020 16:23)
burning other peoples stuff down
not your stuff though cuz other peoples stuff is shit but your shit is stuff
https://imgur.com/Arv5Kp5.jpg
https://imgur.com/GnPdhCb.jpg

wow what kind of racist calls peaceful protestors “animals”?
oh right one that works for the nba or something like that lmao
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May 31 2020 03:38pm
Quote (TritonV8 @ May 31 2020 04:33pm)
You explicitly stated "holding public servants accountable" in the previous reply when discussing the rioting/looting of private businesses. Unless you went completely off topic, you heavily implied it.


Yes, I couldn't have been talking about the police there... who are public servants.

Holding the police accountable is hardly totalitarian or fascist.

Also, businesses and individuals in the area aren't totally innocent. They are complicit in not holding the police accountable. Until now the damage from not holding the police accountable has largely fallen on the communities that are now rioting. These riots are basically a way to say "you guys can totally keep being complicit, but we aren't going to be the only ones damaged anymore. If you want to stop feeling the same damage our community has, then you need to hold them accountable".
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May 31 2020 03:41pm
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Yes, I couldn't have been talking about the police there... who are public servants.

Holding the police accountable is hardly totalitarian or fascist.

Also, businesses and individuals in the area aren't totally innocent. They are complicit in not holding the police accountable. Until now the damage from not holding the police accountable has largely fallen on the communities that are now rioting. These riots are basically a way to say "you guys can totally keep being complicit, but we aren't going to be the only ones damaged anymore. If you want to stop feeling the same damage our community has, then you need to hold them accountable".


So your argument is "loot private businesses in order to teach the police a lesson"? That's like me holding you accountable and lighting your house/apartment/etc on fire because someone killed my cousin 3 states over.
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May 31 2020 03:48pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ May 31 2020 05:38pm)
Yes, I couldn't have been talking about the police there... who are public servants.

Holding the police accountable is hardly totalitarian or fascist.

Also, businesses and individuals in the area aren't totally innocent. They are complicit in not holding the police accountable. Until now the damage from not holding the police accountable has largely fallen on the communities that are now rioting. These riots are basically a way to say "you guys can totally keep being complicit, but we aren't going to be the only ones damaged anymore. If you want to stop feeling the same damage our community has, then you need to hold them accountable".


what power do you suppose this muslim fellow who couldn't afford insurance has to hold the police accountable for anything outside of say voting blue to elect a democratic mayor and governor?

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May 31 2020 03:53pm
Quote (TritonV8 @ May 31 2020 04:41pm)
So your argument is "loot private businesses in order to teach the police a lesson"? That's like me holding you accountable and lighting your house/apartment/etc on fire because someone killed my cousin 3 states over.


I'm not arguing for anything. If this is justified or not will depend on your own experience and judgement. I'm just giving you one side of the argument. I think rioting is shitty, and I feel bad for people who get caught up in it, but the riots aren't just coming out of nowhere. They're not just some random happenstance.

Quote (duffman316 @ May 31 2020 04:48pm)
what power do you suppose this muslim fellow who couldn't afford insurance has to hold the police accountable for anything outside of say voting blue to elect a democratic mayor and governor?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uqOM94RJVc


I'm not saying everything is a targeted (tee hee) attack. However, when people all over the country see there is a risk of violence when this kind of thing isn't handled (as it hasn't been the past several years) then their choice is basically "our whole city turning into what the ghettos have been turned into" or "hold them accountable". And when businesses see that's the dichotomy they'll be more inclined to pressure their local governments. I.e. I'm gonna move and take my business investment with me if this kind of thing keeps happening.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on May 31 2020 03:54pm
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May 31 2020 03:58pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ May 31 2020 04:53pm)
I'm not arguing for anything. If this is justified or not will depend on your own experience and judgement. I'm just giving you one side of the argument. I think rioting is shitty, and I feel bad for people who get caught up in it, but the riots aren't just coming out of nowhere. They're not just some random happenstance.



I'm not saying everything is a targeted (tee hee) attack. However, when people all over the country see there is a risk of violence when this kind of thing isn't handled (as it hasn't been the past several years) then their choice is basically "our whole city turning into what the ghettos have been turned into" or "hold them accountable". And when businesses see that's the dichotomy they'll be more inclined to pressure their local governments. I.e. I'm gonna move and take my business investment with me if this kind of thing keeps happening.


I can understand trying to see it from a different perspective, but after doing so and not being able to validate the argument with logic or reasoning should make it painfully obvious which side is in the wrong. I apologize if anything I said seemed like a personal attack or anything, but I'm rather agitated by the lack of logic of the rioter/looter side.
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May 31 2020 03:59pm
Quote (TritonV8 @ May 31 2020 04:58pm)
I can understand trying to see it from a different perspective, but after doing so and not being able to validate the argument with logic or reasoning should make it painfully obvious which side is in the wrong. I apologize if anything I said seemed like a personal attack or anything, but I'm rather agitated by the lack of logic of the rioter/looter side.


There isn't a lack of logic lol. I presented the logic to you.

IMO it's effectively taking the damage done to these communities and making it happen elsewhere, effectively incentivizing the end of the system by spreading the damage to groups that are more powerful and can therefore have more influence, but would otherwise be complicit.

I don't agree with it, but I'm a white boy living in a conservative state who's only ever been discriminated against once at a job I was at for 2 months. (Female manager was a dick to all the guys and protected all the girls. She was a shitty manager anyway). So my perspective isn't exactly valuable.

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