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May 7 2020 02:52pm
Quote (Goomshill @ May 7 2020 04:34pm)
Obama appointees and their appointments who interfered in law enforcement for political purposes was all a-okay? Who do you think did the unmasking?
Did Eric Holder play by the rules on gunwalking? How about when the DEA & ATF were closing in on Hezbollah's drug and gun ring while Obama was trying to strike the Iran Deal? Hillary Clinton spent so much time denying she was the one who approved the Uranium One license that she forgot to deny there was anything untowards about the investigation going mysteriously silent during Obama's Russia reset.

Pretending in the institutional neutrality of actors like Strzok and McCabe is a pretty thin veneer. The pit of vipers produced a guy so self-serving he stabbed his ally Comey in the back in hopes of climbing over his body for department head, leaking Clinton whitewashing stories to the WSJ with a wink and a nod she couldn't miss. At best the political actors were opportunists, but the lovebirds sounded ready to burn Trump in effigy.


I'm not intimately familiar with many of those cases.

Gunwalking started under Bush. Presidents sometimes intervene in cases for national security purposes, so holding off on taking down a Hezbollah ring for the larger purpose of striking the Iran deal is a different category. As far as I know the Uranium One deal had to be approved by multiple agencies. I thought the unmasking thing was a fake scandal, but I could be wrong. I can't really comment at length because I don't know all the details... and I sure as hell can't take your word for it.

None of these examples even come close to the blatant corruption of Barr dismissing Flynn's case and intervening in Roger Stone's sentencing. These are obvious examples of Trump's AG helping out his friends, and tarnishing the legitimate prosecutions of an investigation that Barr thinks never should've happened, because he's the typical conspiratorial Fox News viewer.

This post was edited by IceMage on May 7 2020 02:55pm
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May 7 2020 04:24pm
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I'm not intimately familiar with many of those cases.

Gunwalking started under Bush. Presidents sometimes intervene in cases for national security purposes, so holding off on taking down a Hezbollah ring for the larger purpose of striking the Iran deal is a different category. As far as I know the Uranium One deal had to be approved by multiple agencies. I thought the unmasking thing was a fake scandal, but I could be wrong. I can't really comment at length because I don't know all the details... and I sure as hell can't take your word for it.


Eric Holder is still under the lawsuit compelling documents after the contempt of congress vote. If we're going to start dismissing executive interference in law enforcement to blatantly let criminals off the hook- terrorists, drug dealers, racketeers and arms dealers no less- because of national security/geopolitical maneuvers, then that's a standard you need to hold in all cases. In the Hezbollah and Uranium One cases, they swept a bunch of actual criminal activity under the rug so they could pursue a geopolitical agenda. In Flynn's case, they fabricated a crime out of thin air to pursue a guy who was conducting the president-elect's national security/geopolitical agenda. I don't think there's a world where we can compare the culpability of islamist terrorists dealing drugs to buy guns to kill jews, to an NSA being solicited by the FBI to force him to tell a lie. If we've opened the door of executive interference so wide, its pretty ridiculous to complain about the latter but not the former.
But that all still hinges on what executive interference is. We've seen ample evidence of misconduct through the crossfire hurricane circus routine. An almost endless series of officials breaching the trust put in them by the public, fabricating evidence and leaking to the press at every level from top to bottom, even admitting they were playing political games. Between the proof that the FBI heads targeted Flynn with a Le Carresque entrapment scheme and the exculpatory evidence of it being suppressed throughout his prosecution, there was sample grounds to say that the proper remedy was to drop the prosecution. If Jesus descended from the heavens speaking only truths and obliged the court to act as a neutral arbiter incapable of political bias, would you be assured that he wouldn't recommend the case be dropped due to prosecutorial/FBI misconduct?

There's only one side committing blatant corruption here, and there's no denying all the leaks, fake evidence and openly admitted political games and biased motives. Barr was nominated and confirmed with a promise to address the mess the previous leadership had left behind. And when he does something, you claim that's the blatant corruption. Seems to me like its the reasonable and proper remedy.

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May 7 2020 04:31pm
icepeon the anti-american wannabe thug slapped back to the basement in the privileged little suburb he’s too afraid to leave
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May 7 2020 04:40pm
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I don't know how it's sustainable for only one political party to follow basic American norms. At some point Democrats are going get fed up being the only group that actually plays by the rules, and then there will no longer be rules.

A disgraceful moment in our country's history. Bill Barr is a complete embarassment.


but R are stil mad at "you should not support Biden"
ya F that and all these R sheep ride around on
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Quote (IgoSoHard @ May 7 2020 01:06pm)
You hit the nail precisely on the head. It truly is amazing how detached from reality TDS has made these people


I think TDS is a more appropriate term for his supporters.
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May 7 2020 04:43pm
Quote (Goomshill @ May 7 2020 06:24pm)
Eric Holder is still under the lawsuit compelling documents after the contempt of congress vote. If we're going to start dismissing executive interference in law enforcement to blatantly let criminals off the hook- terrorists, drug dealers, racketeers and arms dealers no less- because of national security/geopolitical maneuvers, then that's a standard you need to hold in all cases. In the Hezbollah and Uranium One cases, they swept a bunch of actual criminal activity under the rug so they could pursue a geopolitical agenda. In Flynn's case, they fabricated a crime out of thin air to pursue a guy who was conducting the president-elect's national security/geopolitical agenda. I don't think there's a world where we can compare the culpability of islamist terrorists dealing drugs to buy guns to kill jews, to an NSA being solicited by the FBI to force him to tell a lie. If we've opened the door of executive interference so wide, its pretty ridiculous to complain about the latter but not the former.
But that all still hinges on what executive interference is. We've seen ample evidence of misconduct through the crossfire hurricane circus routine. An almost endless series of officials breaching the trust put in them by the public, fabricating evidence and leaking to the press at every level from top to bottom, even admitting they were playing political games. Between the proof that the FBI heads targeted Flynn with a Le Carresque entrapment scheme and the exculpatory evidence of it being suppressed throughout his prosecution, there was sample grounds to say that the proper remedy was to drop the prosecution. If Jesus descended from the heavens speaking only truths and obliged the court to act as a neutral arbiter incapable of political bias, would you be assured that he wouldn't recommend the case be dropped due to prosecutorial/FBI misconduct?

There's only one side committing blatant corruption here, and there's no denying all the leaks, fake evidence and openly admitted political games and biased motives. Barr was nominated and confirmed with a promise to address the mess the previous leadership had left behind. And when he does something, you claim that's the blatant corruption. Seems to me like its the reasonable and proper remedy.


I don't know what you're talking about. You're just weaving a bunch of inaccuracies together and pretending it's an argument for Barr meddling in cases in order to help Trump's buddies.

Nobody outside the cult believes your bullshit.
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May 7 2020 04:45pm
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I don't know what you're talking about. You're just weaving a bunch of inaccuracies together and pretending it's an argument for Barr meddling in cases in order to help Trump's buddies.

Nobody outside the cult believes your bullshit.


You can just admit you still think its all a big Russian conspiracy

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May 7 2020 04:55pm
Quote (Goomshill @ May 7 2020 06:45pm)
You can just admit you still think its all a big Russian conspiracy

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I'm just baffled that you put all this propaganda together for free.
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May 7 2020 04:58pm
Quote (IceMage @ May 7 2020 05:55pm)
I'm just baffled that you put all this propaganda together for free.


How dare anyone think about things instead of blindly obeying authority?
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