Exactly. We can undo economic damage but cannot raise the dead.


I don't have a fear of being infected, nor did I ever express a fear of being infected. I'm an activist and have been for the past 11 years. I'm concerned with the reactions of individuals who are beginning to realize their rights and the Constitution are non-existent. All of my work is done remotely so I'm not impacted at ALL. There's a global shift in power happening here that you may not be seeing. The East may begin getting the upper hand at economic power in a very BAD way.

Start realizing the cost of human lives, as they are priceless.

This post was edited by Net on Apr 20 2020 09:40pm

Economic damage and death are intertwined. That's the point. Which do you consider more important - death due to corona virus or death due to economic damage? Can you ignore the massive spike in suicides or domestic violence?

When people are hungry they will do irrational things.



That's great that you are not impacted and have worked remotely, you are blessed in that regard. The majority does not enjoy that luxury. I'm not sure what an activist is. What do you advocate for? 22 million people were laid off in the past 3 to 4 weeks. What do they do? If the paycheck doesn't come, they do not eat, or are displaced.




Look, I get it. These are uncomfortable questions. But they must be debated and answered by the public. At some point we have to balance risk versus the economy.

Think of the education-level of most of the individuals going to or working at the places he's speaking of opening (gyms, nail salons, barber shops, bowling alleys, etc). Have you gone into a McDonald's lately? I have, pick-up of course. No mask or gloves on the cashiers. The porous surface of the bags can carry COVID-19 for a couple of days. Catch my drift? That's just ONE example. Then look at our judicial system and how a Chicago jail is seen as the leading source of infections in the country. Now think about how America has 22% of the world's incarcerated, but only 4.4% of the world's population. Now think about the protests and how people will turn violent, carry signs with hatred (swastikas and Confederate flags, as seen in Michigan a couple of days ago). This will cause further division and hatred among the population in addition to the population control of COVID-19. America will be owned by this virus regardless of how many people lose their jobs. People are going to be going in and out of jails/prisons and refueling this thing for a VERY long time. Then consider how many people you know that have ACTUALLY been tested? How many people don't even show symptoms? The typical incubation rate is 5-14 days.

I advocate AGAINST corruption, violations of human/civil rights, and clearly many other subjects. I won't say the name of the "crew" I'm with, but you've probably heard of us. And no, it isn't Q. It's the real. I'm a strategist because I think of things most people don't and I figure out ways to solve problems. This problem is impossible to "solve" because everyone cannot be controlled nor can they always make the best decisions. If more protests break out like what happened in Michigan, Martial Law will be put into place. It won't be called Martial Law, it will be disguised. The curfews are the first phase of this. When the second wave hits, there are going to be a LOT of scared people--even more than before, due to them possibly being in contact with an infected.

This post was edited by Net on Apr 20 2020 09:51pm

I'm not even sure how to respond here. Why do I need to take into consideration the education level of the people going to work? That reeks of identity politics, and approaches to the solution to the virus should be apolitical.

At some point you have to fight back against the virus. That includes resuming life.

I'm still wondering what your solution to this problem is. Answer my question - Which do you consider more important? Death due to corona virus or death due to economic damage? Is one better than the other?

They didn't care about the poor before why would they care now that the bar has moved, I get that, I totally do.
But your country has the means to help these people, it just chooses not to, therein lies the real issue imo.
Death from this virus is a more imminent threat then that of economy slowing down for a few months.
I truly feel a little more socialism in your country would be a good thing all around.

Everyone is quick to say get back to work until its they themselves or someone they care about dying. Only then
when it directly impacts their lives do they understand the gravity of the situation and take heed.



People are irrational by nature I find. Both have an impact like you said but one can be fixed the other cannot yet this is somehow a debate.

Many people receiving these stimulus checks should not have that kind of money. Hand a drug addict $1200 and see what he does with it. Then see what he destroys after.

Who cares what some dude did with his money.
Least know that they tried to help him.
Then focus on your own shit.

I read through this and get where you’re coming from, we have to consider the economic damage and its implications when making these decisions. Currently the virus has a 5% death rate skewed towards to elderly and already ill, what mortality would a highly contagious virus have, to warrant serious measures, 10%? 1 in 4 people?

Edit: I get this draw the line question isn’t easy, countries around the world are having trouble with it and came to different conclusions.

This post was edited by obisent on Apr 20 2020 10:42pm

That is the question that no one wants to answer that needs to be answered. For me personally? A lot higher than it is now. Precautions and proactive measures can be taken to get people back to work safely. You have to fight back at some point.

The economic repercussions from this are enormous, both with lives lost due to unconsidered repercussions and the financial component, and I would not be surprised to see photo's that look like they are straight out of the great depression here in the short term. If anyone thinks the markets are volatile now, just wait. Businesses hate uncertainty. That's what prevents hiring. The government literally cannot continue to bailout the economy. It's not feasible to continue.

Good to see an old ESCNL player, hope you and your family are all safe and healthy.

Stay safe as well, appreciate the honest reply.

This post was edited by obisent on Apr 20 2020 10:46pm