d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > General Chat > Political & Religious Debate > Black On Jewish Attacks In Nyc, And Bail Reform
Prev1234511Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 93,001
Joined: Dec 31 2007
Gold: 2,299.94
Dec 30 2019 01:55pm
Quote (Skinned @ Dec 30 2019 01:28pm)





Arousal response system at work. I don't think anything will come up if you Google that term though. It has to do with user experience with the repeated interaction of systems. Part of systems theory. Big barrier when engaging marginalized populations as a social worker. And it happens with all people, just negatively to the poor people and more positively with people who systems work for.


Working on that what's your theory on why jews specifically?

jewish landlords? accumulated propaganda in their community? jewish socialites in NY specifically?
Member
Posts: 50,918
Joined: Jan 20 2010
Gold: 5,335.99
Dec 30 2019 02:15pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 30 2019 01:55pm)
Working on that what's your theory on why jews specifically?

jewish landlords? accumulated propaganda in their community? jewish socialites in NY specifically?


I mean yeah its a long running thing
Orthodox jews are willing to buy property in black neighborhoods unlike whites who flee to the suburbs or ivory tower penthouses. They have insular communities with their own yeshivas, ambulances, community patrols, etc. With the disproportionate representation among landlords and the natural bias of muslims that were in the black panthers / NOI, they didn't need much reason to become anti-semitic- all the way back in the 1970s/80s/90s. The crown height riots were nearly 30 years ago, the people committing these crimes weren't even alive back then. That was when Rebbe Schneerson (hard to understate how important he was to orthodox jews, there was a large messianic movement around him) was traveling through a black neighborhood in a motorcade and another vehicle tried to catch up to the convoy and hit two young black kids, killing one. The jewish community ambulance services showed up first and helped out the jews before regular ambulances came for the black kids. Led to weeks of rioting, lots of anti-semitic violence and the lynching murder of a guy the black mob mistook for a jewish person. But in recent years its got a few particularly confounding factors. There's obviously the whole virulent political culture with rising left-wing violence in general, and when the blacks in NYC are nearly uniformly anti-Trump and the orthodox jews (not NYC jews in general) are nearly uniformly pro-Trump, that's one factor. And with NYC local politics moving dramatically further left, its empowered local democrats who were elected to office despite overtly anti-semitic attitudes, like the guy who unironically claimed Jews control the weather (!). But then you've got the rise of the militant Black Lives Matter movement and anti-cop/white/jewish attitudes associated with it, and that already escalated to terrorist ambush murders of police. But the more major flashpoints have been over money- school district tax referendums and rising rent costs from gentrification. The orthodox jews send their kids to private Yeshivas instead of public schools, but then get taxed to fund the public school system, paying a very disproportionate amount of the cost despite not having their kids in the schools, because they're very disproportionately wealthy compared to blacks. And this comes up when the referendums, public subsidization of Yeshivas and public oversight of their curriculum are put to votes. When black people steeped in a history of ethnic hatred and Farrakhan-esque conspiracies see Orthodox Jews living one street over and doing well for themselves while voting against their social agenda in schools, it didn't take much for violence to start.

Besides the Crown Heights Riots, the East Ramapo School Board is a good topic to read up on to understand it

This post was edited by Goomshill on Dec 30 2019 02:17pm
Member
Posts: 57,901
Joined: Dec 3 2008
Gold: 286.00
Dec 30 2019 02:22pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 30 2019 02:37pm)
Just a followup-
after yesterday's stories where the media uncritically published the statement put out by the Hanukkah stabber saying it was just 'mental illness' and he was raised to have no anti-semitic hatred, the FBI have stated they found his anti-semitic journal and linked him to the Black Hebrew Israelites movement, like the Kosher bodega terrorists.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/30/us/monsey-new-york-stabbings-monday/index.html


Religious preoccupation is one the major sympyoms of bopolar affective disorder. That being sad mental illness does not excuse people from crimes that they commit. If you're aware that you have a mental illness you have a responsibility to take care of your mental health. If you don't take care of your mental health and and exacerbates to the point where he stab somebody you are a stabber.

Not knowing that you're sick is one symptom of thought disorder, Like in schizophrenia. But schizophrenic people who do not know that they're sick do not use schizophrenia as an excuse to commit crimes Because you're not schizophrenic there's actually a chip in your head that's communicating voices to you and the doctors are wrong because they work with a chip manufacturers etc.

And yeah this is a troll post comparing belief in religion to mental illness. I'm going to write that here very concretely and I bet I still get rage post responses from usual suspects.

This post was edited by Skinned on Dec 30 2019 02:22pm
Member
Posts: 40,852
Joined: Sep 17 2011
Gold: 0.00
Dec 30 2019 02:22pm
ITT - Goom learned about Hoteps.
Member
Posts: 57,901
Joined: Dec 3 2008
Gold: 286.00
Dec 30 2019 02:35pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 30 2019 02:55pm)
Working on that what's your theory on why jews specifically?

jewish landlords? accumulated propaganda in their community? jewish socialites in NY specifically?


Motown. Exploiting black talent in entertainment. Making money off of black talent without sharing the spoils has been a Jewish past time for a century+ in the United States.

Fascination with gold and diamonds as well maybe?

Going back to systems and institutions, It's the biggest institution or system in black America is the Christian church, And the Christian church teaches people that Jews killed Christ. A derogatory term for Jewish people is Christ killers.

On considering banking and the United states banks were largely used to prevent blacks from creating generational wealth through property Like whites were able to. Red lining was real. While discrimination in banking is very real, A lot of stupid and gullible people will connect the Jewish people to the International banking system.... There is an abundance of stupid people who believe this of all races.

When considering that the traditional and orthodox system of banking has been an abject failure for blacks in America and their informal system of the black church for mental health and economic help has been a success....well an inference can be made.

I will state for everyone else at these are potential reasons that I think and that they are not endorsements of any behavior.

This post was edited by Skinned on Dec 30 2019 02:37pm
Member
Posts: 93,001
Joined: Dec 31 2007
Gold: 2,299.94
Dec 30 2019 03:04pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 30 2019 02:15pm)
I mean yeah its a long running thing
Orthodox jews are willing to buy property in black neighborhoods unlike whites who flee to the suburbs or ivory tower penthouses. They have insular communities with their own yeshivas, ambulances, community patrols, etc. With the disproportionate representation among landlords and the natural bias of muslims that were in the black panthers / NOI, they didn't need much reason to become anti-semitic- all the way back in the 1970s/80s/90s. The crown height riots were nearly 30 years ago, the people committing these crimes weren't even alive back then. That was when Rebbe Schneerson (hard to understate how important he was to orthodox jews, there was a large messianic movement around him) was traveling through a black neighborhood in a motorcade and another vehicle tried to catch up to the convoy and hit two young black kids, killing one. The jewish community ambulance services showed up first and helped out the jews before regular ambulances came for the black kids. Led to weeks of rioting, lots of anti-semitic violence and the lynching murder of a guy the black mob mistook for a jewish person. But in recent years its got a few particularly confounding factors. There's obviously the whole virulent political culture with rising left-wing violence in general, and when the blacks in NYC are nearly uniformly anti-Trump and the orthodox jews (not NYC jews in general) are nearly uniformly pro-Trump, that's one factor. And with NYC local politics moving dramatically further left, its empowered local democrats who were elected to office despite overtly anti-semitic attitudes, like the guy who unironically claimed Jews control the weather (!). But then you've got the rise of the militant Black Lives Matter movement and anti-cop/white/jewish attitudes associated with it, and that already escalated to terrorist ambush murders of police. But the more major flashpoints have been over money- school district tax referendums and rising rent costs from gentrification. The orthodox jews send their kids to private Yeshivas instead of public schools, but then get taxed to fund the public school system, paying a very disproportionate amount of the cost despite not having their kids in the schools, because they're very disproportionately wealthy compared to blacks. And this comes up when the referendums, public subsidization of Yeshivas and public oversight of their curriculum are put to votes. When black people steeped in a history of ethnic hatred and Farrakhan-esque conspiracies see Orthodox Jews living one street over and doing well for themselves while voting against their social agenda in schools, it didn't take much for violence to start.

Besides the Crown Heights Riots, the East Ramapo School Board is a good topic to read up on to understand it


Quote (Skinned @ Dec 30 2019 02:35pm)
Motown. Exploiting black talent in entertainment. Making money off of black talent without sharing the spoils has been a Jewish past time for a century+ in the United States.

Fascination with gold and diamonds as well maybe?

Going back to systems and institutions, It's the biggest institution or system in black America is the Christian church, And the Christian church teaches people that Jews killed Christ. A derogatory term for Jewish people is Christ killers.

On considering banking and the United states banks were largely used to prevent blacks from creating generational wealth through property Like whites were able to. Red lining was real. While discrimination in banking is very real, A lot of stupid and gullible people will connect the Jewish people to the International banking system.... There is an abundance of stupid people who believe this of all races.

When considering that the traditional and orthodox system of banking has been an abject failure for blacks in America and their informal system of the black church for mental health and economic help has been a success....well an inference can be made.

I will state for everyone else at these are potential reasons that I think and that they are not endorsements of any behavior.


Ty answers boys. i shall read up a bit as well on it.
Member
Posts: 57,901
Joined: Dec 3 2008
Gold: 286.00
Dec 30 2019 03:37pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 30 2019 04:04pm)
Ty answers boys. i shall read up a bit as well on it.


Goom described the paradigm well in the way they exist in the same spaces but in very different ways. They are definitely in the same communities and there is less segregation.

One of my good friends was very traditionally jewish... even went to Israel to serve in the IDF as part of dual citizenship...when I knew him he always had stores of some sort and before he started doing mortgage refinancing full time he would sell cell phones and have bodega stuff like bongs, knock off jerseys and purses stupid big flashy hats. He would come to work in his normal clothing, put on a Jersey, locs, and a big hat with a bedazzled hat with a dollar sign on it as his work uniform. Shit was hilarious. This store was next to a Chinese restaurant. One day we were smoking blunts out back and the door to the Chinese restaurant flew open, a 12ish year old boy came out and locked into what looked like Attention standing there, an old man came out, and beat the shit out of him with a broomstick in the thighs and stomach yelling loudly in a foreign language. Kid didn't make a noise. Then they were right back in. Serious wtf did I just see moment. Thinking about my buddy's cell phone store made me remember that.

This post was edited by Skinned on Dec 30 2019 03:38pm
Member
Posts: 54,185
Joined: May 26 2005
Gold: 4,945.67
Dec 30 2019 05:01pm
Just wanted to say that this is a high quality thread with lots of very interesting posts to read, ty guys! :thumbsup:
Member
Posts: 50,918
Joined: Jan 20 2010
Gold: 5,335.99
Dec 31 2019 05:57am
https://nypost.com/2019/12/30/tiffany-harris-let-loose-again-after-second-alleged-anti-semitic-assault/?utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow

Just to confirm: Tiffany Harris was indeed let out again without bail. Even after she became a thorn in the Mayor's side and embarrassed him on a national stage, the law is still the law and the worst they could do was ask for 'supervised release'. Which demands she check in once in a while. But bail jumping was specifically listed on the list of crimes they can't hold someone for, so even if she violated that, all they could do is pick her up, book her on it and release her again. Oh and the victim in her latest attack was another Jewish woman, of course.
Member
Posts: 57,901
Joined: Dec 3 2008
Gold: 286.00
Dec 31 2019 06:36am
Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 31 2019 06:57am)
https://nypost.com/2019/12/30/tiffany-harris-let-loose-again-after-second-alleged-anti-semitic-assault/?utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow

Just to confirm: Tiffany Harris was indeed let out again without bail. Even after she became a thorn in the Mayor's side and embarrassed him on a national stage, the law is still the law and the worst they could do was ask for 'supervised release'. Which demands she check in once in a while. But bail jumping was specifically listed on the list of crimes they can't hold someone for, so even if she violated that, all they could do is pick her up, book her on it and release her again. Oh and the victim in her latest attack was another Jewish woman, of course.


Vigilantism?
Go Back To Political & Religious Debate Topic List
Prev1234511Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll