IMO the entire case of Tayvon/Zimzam is subject to a politically motivated false binary. and it bleeds into how people believe or dont believe things like prosecutorial maleficence.

here's what happened, Trayvon was a user of drank. Cough Syrup, skittles, and juice. identical to the recipe he asked for on facebook previous to that night. Drank can cause paranoia. He drank up the last of his drank, went to the gas station to get more skittles and juice, then on the way home Zimzam pulls a wanna be cop move and approaches him. Trayvon is paranoid, Zimzam is likely being aggresive. whether Trayvon attacked him out of the blue or Zimzam tried to grab him, who knows. a scuffle ensues, zimzam gets his ass beat by a kid. then shoots him out of real or fake fear for his life.

zimzam isnt a hero. trayvon wasnt a kid eating candy. zimzam should have likely served time for his role in the altercation happening.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Dec 5 2019 09:27am

a good investigator should have figured out where he got the robitussin
his lean wasn't sprite btw, it was AriZona Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail. One of the conspicuous media discrepancies was how this was reported as "Iced Tea" instead of "Watermelon Juice", because having a black kid going to the story to buy watermelon juice he was using in homemade codeine cocktails be reported as 'skittles and iced tea' was conspicuous to a lot of people

This post was edited by Goomshill on Dec 5 2019 09:26am

ya u beat me on my edit lol, i googled and found 100 stories about the Trayvon Martini. skittles, vodka, and watermelon juice.

I feel like there's a clever pun on 'whitewashing' that was eluding me

My opinion is they had a fight and the one you are friendly naming "zimzam" did not appreciated the ending, enraged like he did before during his job, and shot the kid.


Stand-your-ground with a "cool story".

i agree, and for the record i think stand your ground laws are bullshit.

My argument is how is TM's mom responsible for 100m in damages against a loser who has no marketable skills or education.

people with no marketable skills or education work at places like gas stations, Zimzam couldn't get a job at a 7-11 anywhere inside of the USA.

whether you think he's guilty or innocent his working life is basically over. the only income he can earn is signing t-shirts at far rights events. i dont think even platforms like Cameo would accept him as a client.

how are you defining 'stand your ground laws'?
normally the only distinction that stand your ground makes is that in the absence of such laws, its left up to the discretion of prosecutors / juries / judges as to whether self-defense is justifiable. But in duty to retreat laws, you can't argue self-defense if you had an opportunity to retreat from a situation you could predict would turn violent. A duty to retreat law in effect says that the very action of remaining in a dangerous situation makes you either guilty or dead, kill or be killed.

there should be more stringent application of escalation of force calculations. if they have a knife or are a 300 lb monster and you're a 100 lb shrimp, sure your life is in danger. but we've seen repeatedly, whether its cops or citizens, "i feared for my life" becomes a subjective and unknowable get out of trouble free card. perhaps stand your ground should be used more as a way to reduce charges, perhaps even to a low no-jail-time offense. their use to absolve all guilt feels like an overstep when we look at the applications. especially in policing.

overall stand your ground laws are so selectively applied that its not a big ticket item for me. its just that when i look at the recent applications none of them give me the feeling of justice.

on the topic of cops specifically ive been saying for a long time de-escalation training in the form of Brazilian jujitsu or something is needed big time. eliminate all of the "3 cops surround and eventually shoot dead unarmed mentally ill homeless person" stories and the cops reputation would improve over time. those typifying events have lasting negative impact. and physical fitness generally should be a hard requirement for all police, fat cops are a fucking joke.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Dec 5 2019 09:51am