it's probability and resource availability

Like i said a guy in his element can easily go to his dealer, find ways to get that 10-20 bucks to get high consistently. The guy in jail is going to have a much tougher time finding that specific drug then finding the 10-20 bucks or whatever premium it is in jail.

Its common sense, not sure where the disconnect is happening. Are you saying it's easier to get drugs in jail, where you are locked up, under supervision, no money available then it is in his natural community?

What im saying is quite simple. YOU said jailing people would force them to detox. you said that. and that's not true. its easy to get drugs in both jail and prison.

also, to add to that, if you can't find heroin in jail it doesnt matter. because you will find pills, or weed, or coke, or something to stay an addict. then when u get out you'll go find you heroin dealer. people dont just need to detox from a drug, they need to detox from drugs.

in terms of finding drugs it would go easiest to get on the street, easier (than jail) to get a specific drug consistently in prison, still easy to get drugs in jail. you seem to be operating under the false assumption that people can't get drugs in jail, that's false. they only have a hard time getting drugs in solitary confinement which you cant throw just anyone in for the reason of them being an addict alone in many cases.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Nov 13 2019 10:50am

Available research has shown that there's no correlation between punishment and the reduction of substance use in the US. Alternative strategies have been shown to be more effective, particularly ones in which substance use is viewed as a symptom of a larger issue as opposed to the problem itself.

Imprisoning someone for the length of a detox isn't going to change the underlying conditions that drove them to continued substance use in the first place, and ambivalence for treatment is remediated best by counseling and social services in which motivational interviewing is practiced as opposed to incarceration.

this for sure.

the only caveat i'd add is SOMETIMES straight detox works. but it's mostly only for people who have used so long that it's more about a daily pattern of abuse than the underlying trauma. a good example is Artie Lange. he was a daily user for so long that when he went into solitary and was forced to detox over 3-4 days it was the first time he was sober in like 10-20 years. if you're that long of a user a forced detox might do it. but for 99% of people it fails. and its not easy to even get people away from drugs even in jail.

This is all easier said than done. Tons of people who develop substance addictions dont do so because of an isolated, singular trauma - they do so because their life sucks in general and/or they have no perspective and/or they live in broken, dysfunctional communities. Basically, changing the underlying issues of their addiction doesnt lie within their power in many cases.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 13 2019 12:30pm

1k/month is the cure to depression. Yanggang2020

Addictions aren’t interchangeable. If someone’s addicted to opioids they aren’t going to be looking to substitute with something like coke.

I know functioning addicts that work to pay for their drugs. Guess what if they are in jail and aren’t earning then they can’t fund addiction... real common sense stuff tbh so yeah naturally they would be detoxing.

Yes prevalence in jail under supervision, where people don’t have the funds and may not be able to find that specific fix would result in higher rates of detox vs the world at large.

Legalize all drugs. treat people as addicts and not criminals. Given they are only drug offenders.

This post was edited by Brian_D on Nov 13 2019 01:16pm

wait so you think people dont have money in jail?

i can see why you were in support of jailing addicts until now, you dont understand a thing about jail.

in any given county or state jail as much as 25-50% of the population leaves each day to work at their jobs in huber programs. my nephew was conceived at a truck stop when my stepsister was taking her druggie boyfriend back to jail from his job.

"under supervision" you mean like Epstein?

heroin isn't interchangeable with everything, but it is with pills. meth and coke can be interchanged as well as with adderal or other uppers. etc. is what i meant.

im starting to see you have a lot of "common sense" to back your opinions. i have 6+ years of working in the prisons and jails. you clearly dont know what you're talking about lol. you're just off.

Don't get angry and start flexing with your background because it's quite irrelevant. People have money in jail no doubt, people have much less money and less earning ability in jail versus the outside world. That's reality and if you're arguing with this point then you're pretty dumb m8.

I understand enough to know that most people who fund their addiction do something for money to be able to fund that addiction. It's common sense and consistent with reality that those earning abilities are significantly diminished in jail. Whether it's work, collecting cans, stealing etc, they don't have those same means in jail, so naturally even if they can find those drugs in jail they are much less likely to be able to buy those drugs.

So yes, they are much less likely to feed their addiction in an environment like that versus the outside world.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Nov 13 2019 02:05pm