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Oct 14 2019 12:56pm
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Is this fenders dad?
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his religion is important because Ink said that "antifa is the shield protecting minority communities". the case shows that this statement is just not true, at least not with such generality.


that is just incredibly flawed logic. for example, you could protect a minority (let's say jews) by ousting jews that contribute to their oppression.

and again, i'm not familiar with the case - so again my question: was he targeted because he was jewish, or why is it of such importance? to me it seems like a dishonest and anti-intellectual way to discredit the whole movement based on a cherry picked incident.
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Oct 14 2019 01:23pm
Quote (fender @ 14 Oct 2019 21:06)
that is just incredibly flawed logic. for example, you could protect a minority (let's say jews) by ousting jews that contribute to their oppression.


Wow, really didnt take long until we arrive at "b-b-but they were race-traitors//anti-semitic jews contributing to their own oppression, they deserved it".

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and again, i'm not familiar with the case - so again my question: was he targeted because he was jewish, or why is it of such importance? to me it seems like a dishonest and anti-intellectual way to discredit the whole movement based on a cherry picked incident.


there are countless incidents where antifa violently attacked innocent people simply because they perceived them as being racist/fascist/oppressors, or because they disagreed with their views. this incidence here might be a cherry-picked one, but I just brought it up again because it was such a perfect counterexample to Ink's overly general statement regarding antifa and protecting minorities.

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Oct 14 2019 01:26pm
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Wow, really didnt take long until we arrive at "b-b-but they were race-traitors//anti-semitic jews contributing to their own oppression, they deserved it".



there are countless incidents where antifa violently attacked innocent people simply because they perceived them as being racist/fascist/oppressors, or because they disagreed with their views. this incidence here might be a cherry-picked one, but I just brought it up again because it was such a perfect counterexample to Ink's overly general statement regarding antifa and protecting minorities.


it's even a bit simpler than that IMO. "minority" used to mean a low % of the population. some extremists are trying to paint it as shifted to a low % of the money/control of society. this is why Jews aren't given the same status anymore, and of course a large crossover with non-jewish whites in appearance. jews have for a long time been the forgotten majority group, as have Asians, because of their relative success in the western world.
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it's even a bit simpler than that IMO. "minority" used to mean a low % of the population. some extremists are trying to paint it as shifted to a low % of the money/control of society. this is why Jews aren't given the same status anymore, and of course a large crossover with non-jewish whites in appearance. jews have for a long time been the forgotten majority group, as have Asians, because of their relative success in the western world.


another funny and often forgotten fact is that African immigrants in the US, on average, are doing FAR better in terms of all socioeconomic metrics and indicators than African Americans.
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Oct 14 2019 02:09pm
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Imagine unironically posting an actual Nazi propagandist comic strip as an argument.

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another funny and often forgotten fact is that African immigrants in the US, on average, are doing FAR better in terms of all socioeconomic metrics and indicators than African Americans.


i wouldn't say it's forgotten, it's just not valid to use in many contexts. mainly because african migrants are a fairly small group. however, what is talked about more often is african migrants talking about how they were treated once they arrived, that being exactly like black people. i've heard many stories of people accusing them of being welfare junkies, having absentee fathers, being in gangs, etc.

in general i'd like to see migrant success calculated versus native success, my guess is that it's higher for migrants in all racial categories.

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Imagine unironically posting an actual Nazi propagandist comic strip as an argument.


jesus you're boring.

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Oct 14 2019 02:43pm
Quote (MxVivianWulf @ Oct 14 2019 04:09pm)
Imagine unironically posting an actual Nazi propagandist comic strip as an argument.


So you're not in China with your friends? Talking about bailing on your principles.
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Oct 14 2019 02:46pm
Right wingers: "Jews are taking over the world. They own our media and our banks and there is a conspiracy to enslave all others under Jewish hegemony. Jews push liberalism on society via their control of mass media in order to corrupt it. Jews will not replace us!"

Also Right Wingers: "An antifa choked a Jew who associated himself with a far right nationalist group that I like because it aims to repress women, immigrants, and liberal viewpoints, and I am outraged because Jews are a minority that must be protected."
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Oct 14 2019 02:59pm
Quote (thesnipa @ 14 Oct 2019 21:11)
jesus you're boring.


I mean you know Stonetoss is unironically an actual nazi right?
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