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Sep 30 2019 12:33pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 30 2019 11:19am)
What Santa is correctly refering to i believe is that DNC candidates want healthcare for immigrants AND they want crossing the border decriminalized. so this would be a potential reality.


Crossing the border would still be a civil offence and a deportable offence. There just wouldn't be criminal detention.

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Sep 30 2019 12:54pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Sep 30 2019 01:33pm)
Crossing the border would still be a civil offence and a deportable offence. There just wouldn't be criminal detention.


well yes and no.

there are some in the DNC field that dont have deportation on the docket for non-violent illegal immigrants. meaning that in theory someone could cross illegally, get caught, get given the equivalent of a parking ticket, and released into the US either with a greencard or some pathway to citizenship.

for all intents and purposes that's an open border. as logically no one is mad enough to stand up for a literal open border. like unguarded, etc. it's as unguarded as is politically possible.

and only about half or so wanted full coverage for illegal immigrants from what i remember of the first debate. but there's high connectivity between the two, the same candidates are calling for both (warren, bernie, beto, castro).


as a side note, how can u have something be a deportation offense but not detain them? like find them and instantly stuff them into a cannon to fire across the border?
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Sep 30 2019 12:57pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Sep 30 2019 05:14am)
Because stealing is wrong.

They dont pay the same amount that they take regardless of the math used.


What do they take from you cupcake? Who gives it to them? Who hires these people?
I don't see you ranting at white business' that give illegal people jobs.. why?
Do you know we spend more on healthcare vs our GDP than Germany does for fully funded Health Care?
Would you rather keep being more of a drain on our economy than being fully subsidized?
3k for a 20 year old tech. cat scan is an example of part of the problem.*1 small one.

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Sep 30 2019 01:02pm
Help those in need. Yes. Of course...

Especially children.

WWJD?
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Sep 30 2019 01:04pm
Quote (Brian_D @ Sep 30 2019 02:02pm)
Help those in need. Yes. Of course...

Especially children.

WWJD?


create enough food for them down in Venezuela from only a few fish and a basket of bread without any US taxpayer dollars, probably.
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Sep 30 2019 01:06pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 30 2019 01:04pm)
create enough food for them down in Venezuela from only a few fish and a basket of bread without any US taxpayer dollars, probably.


Getting to the root of the problem would be nice as well.
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Sep 30 2019 01:21pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Sep 30 2019 12:06pm)
Undocumented immigrants pay taxes though, so they're paying into a system you feel they shouldn't be able to access?


They shouldn't be paying taxes. They shouldn't be working here. They shouldn't be here at all. The taxes they pay don't make up for the job loss of the citizens they replace.

Fine companies harder and make deportation more streamlined.

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Sep 30 2019 01:23pm
Quote (krackprophet @ Sep 30 2019 02:21pm)
They shouldn't be paying taxes. They shouldn't be working here. They shouldn't be here at all. The taxes they pay don't make up for the job loss of the citizens they replace.

Fine companies harder and make deportation more streamlined.


This is the crux of the issue. Any immigration plan that doesn't increase enforcement on businesses that employ illegal immigrants is not a good-faith plan to reduce illegal immigration.
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Sep 30 2019 01:29pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 30 2019 12:23pm)
This is the crux of the issue. Any immigration plan that doesn't increase enforcement on businesses that employ illegal immigrants is not a good-faith plan to reduce illegal immigration.


agreed.. see my previous statement.
And no white people are taking those jobs..
too fucking lazy.. FACT
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Sep 30 2019 01:31pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ Sep 30 2019 02:57pm)
What do they take from you cupcake? Who gives it to them? Who hires these people?
I don't see you ranting at white business' that give illegal people jobs.. why?
Do you know we spend more on healthcare vs our GDP than Germany does for fully funded Health Care?
Would you rather keep being more of a drain on our economy than being fully subsidized?
3k for a 20 year old tech. cat scan is an example of part of the problem.*1 small one.


He bitches about illegal immigration then votes for a guy who hires em. He's not the brightest.
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