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Sep 13 2019 12:13pm
Quote (Knoppie @ 13 Sep 2019 20:03)
created, commercialized and paying for media networks to operate..

Yay free market capitalism :)


Free market Equilibrium or Slo'Mo for everyone

/e btw seems no one is discussing the argument now that numbers and threat are exposed, typical and sad.

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Sep 13 2019 12:13pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ Sep 13 2019 12:25pm)
480,000+ deaths per year related to tobacco use.

But let's all lose our minds over a few vaping-related deaths.


The boomers I know that smoke are fervent in their denial of tobacco being 'that' bad
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Sep 13 2019 12:15pm
Quote (Jupe @ 13 Sep 2019 20:13)
The boomers I know that smoke are fervent in their denial of tobacco being 'that' bad


They are soon based in coffin anyway
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Sep 13 2019 12:16pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Sep 13 2019 02:15pm)
They are soon based in coffin anyway


They, in fact, deserve it
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Sep 13 2019 12:17pm
Quote (Knoppie @ Sep 13 2019 12:48pm)
that's a good reason to stop with the just slightly better alternative as well.


https://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/blog_cigarettes_vaping_adolescents.gif


There you go :)


"just slightly better" is a really bad way to describe a lack of cancer risks.

the risks of vaping compared to smoking really aren't even in the same conversation. tar is bad for you, nicotine isn't. nicotine is addictive, that doesnt mean it causes diseases.
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Sep 13 2019 12:23pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Sep 13 2019 08:13pm)
Free market Equilibrium or Slo'Mo for everyone

/e btw seems no one is discussing the argument now that numbers and threat are exposed, typical and sad.


I'm actually confused why there is so much dodging around the topic at hand. This is the 2nd or 3rd topic. No-one addressed the of ppl starting to vape/smoke at a young age.
Vaping moved from being an slightly better alternative for smoking, helping ppl to stop cigarettes, towards becoming hip at a young age. A new generation of nicotine addicts are on the rise. It's more of a question of what proper legislation would look like, given the circumstances, than if it needs to be addressed.
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Sep 13 2019 12:32pm
Quote (Knoppie @ 13 Sep 2019 20:23)
I'm actually confused why there is so much dodging around the topic at hand. This is the 2nd or 3rd topic. No-one addressed the of ppl starting to vape/smoke at a young age.
Vaping moved from being an slightly better alternative for smoking, helping ppl to stop cigarettes, towards becoming hip at a young age. A new generation of nicotine addicts are on the rise. It's more of a question of what proper legislation would look like, given the circumstances, than if it needs to be addressed.


It's much more than just nicotine btw, it's building a whole generation of potential addicts to anything that can be melt in glycol ...
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Sep 13 2019 12:58pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 13 2019 08:17pm)
"just slightly better" is a really bad way to describe a lack of cancer risks.


Using cancer risks is a really bad way to compare a new product to an old one.

It not being healthy short term is similar, the long term is yet to be seen. We do need more research.



Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Sep 13 2019 08:32pm)
It's much more than just nicotine btw, it's building a whole generation of potential addicts to anything that can be melt in glycol ...


And that's interesting to track its potential for it.

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Sep 13 2019 01:08pm
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Using cancer risks is a really bad way to compare a new product to an old one.

It not being healthy short term is similar, the long term is yet to be seen. We do need more research.





And that's interesting to track its potential for it.




Free market heaven; ppl will vape "red", "green", "blue", or even "black" stuff... :lol:
More seriously the result of vaping is a mixture which result of the heat or partial combustion, at this stage it's like some drinks or drugs:
First form of the product is legal: a very complex mix of legal "aromas" that, when vaped at high temperatures, can specifically generate a panel of very addictive products.

Tobacco chemists searchers are getting a second life.
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Sep 13 2019 01:10pm
There is no specific information yet about exactly what caused these deaths. The investigation is on going. You will just have to wait.

My non-scientific suggestion is if you are going to use THC, use products that have no additives of any type. If it has something besides cannabis in it, don't use it. This would include all cartridges because THC extracts alone are solid at room temperature. They have to add other substances to the mix in other to make it more viscous.
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