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Aug 11 2019 08:01am
Quote (Beowulf @ 11 Aug 2019 15:16)
The stigmas around mental health are ignorant and terrible
Political tribalism is rampant

And they will be used to prevent ownership by people that those in power disagree with. Law abiding citizens will have their rights trampled and they will be demonized

First comes infringing on the right and preventing purchases then comes disarming in the name of safety while selling bullshit to an overly scared public that responsible gun owners and gun owning supporters are nuts (which already happens) that care more about gun worshiping than innocent lives.

It's not only a trampling on the rights that protect and help protect the poor it will be a direct assault on the progress that we have made with mental health. It will be weaponized for politics even worse than it always is. Those that are not violent and just need healing will be demonized and used as political pawns. Those right of center will be misrepresented and those like me on the left who have been on the left for decades will be mislabeled gun loving psychos brain washed by the gun nut right wing.
Non violent citizens with conservative leanings are blamed for violence they did not commit or condone.

Sacrificing rights of the poor and the law abiding while using corpses to push the agenda is unacceptable


you know, those things don't magically become true if you just repeat them often enough. how does not registering guns 'protect the poor'? in the real world, gun violence disproportionally affects the poor in a negative way.
also, how would gun registrations be a 'direct assault' on the progress towards mental health? looks to me like you're cowardly hiding behind poor and mentally ill people to push your pro gun stance, conveniently ignoring the thousands of preventable deaths of innocent people each year.
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Aug 11 2019 08:02am
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you know, those things don't magically become true if you just repeat them often enough. how does not registering guns 'protect the poor'? in the real world, gun violence disproportionally affects the poor in a negative way.
also, how would gun registrations be a 'direct assault' on the progress towards mental health? looks to me like you're cowardly hiding behind poor and mentally ill people to push your pro gun stance, conveniently ignoring the thousands of preventable deaths of innocent people each year.


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Aug 11 2019 08:07am
Quote (Beowulf @ 11 Aug 2019 16:02)
Pro right to own stance


you can mislabel it, justifying it with your usual slippery slope 'logic', but that still doesn't answer my questions:

- how do you think guns 'protect the poor'? reality suggests otherwise.
- how would gun registration be a 'direct assault' on mental health progress?

looks like some simplistic talking points with no substance behind them to be honest...

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Aug 11 2019 08:13am
Quote (fender @ Aug 11 2019 09:07am)
you can mislabel it, justifying it with your usual slippery slope 'logic', but that still doesn't answer my questions:

- how do you think guns 'protect the poor'? reality suggests otherwise.
- how would gun registration be a 'direct assault' on mental health progress?

looks like some simplistic talking points with no substance behind them to be honest...



do i really need to post the links to stories, you're fixing to look stupid

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Aug 11 2019 08:16am
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Aug 11 2019 08:18am
Quote (fender @ Aug 11 2019 07:07am)
you can mislabel it, justifying it with your usual slippery slope 'logic', but that still doesn't answer my questions:

- how do you think guns 'protect the poor'? reality suggests otherwise.
- how would gun registration be a 'direct assault' on mental health progress?

looks like some simplistic talking points with no substance behind them to be honest...


People like you are pushing to get to confiscation

You demonize and you want control. Anti gun Democrats will try to put in some more control including gathering as much personal info as possible and more killings will happen and it will be with a gun then they will say well all we have left is confiscation

Confiscation will eventually hit Democrat campaign trails. Itll be like everything fringe at first. There will be that "nutty" candidate that openly says it then we get to the point major candidates are raising their hands on a national debate stage.

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Aug 11 2019 08:31am
Quote (Beowulf @ 11 Aug 2019 16:18)
People like you are pushing to get to confiscation

You demonize and you want control. Anti gun Democrats will try to put in some more control including gathering as much personal info as possible and more killings will happen and it will be with a gun then they will say well all we have left is confiscation

Confiscation will eventually hit Democrat campaign trails. Itll be like everything fringe at first. There will be that "nutty" candidate that openly says it then we get to the point major candidates are raising their hands on a national debate stage.


again, pure dodging and some slippery slopes to 'justify' ignoring the thousands of innocent people dying each year.

your best 'argument' is purely hypothetical, i'm talking about NOW, the real world, in which poor people disproportionally suffer under gun violence.

the truth is that you just can't answer these simple questions:

- how do you think guns 'protect the poor', when in fact they suffer the most under america's gun obsession?
- how would gun registration be a 'direct assault' on mental health progress?
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Aug 11 2019 08:32am
Quote (tman65ky @ 11 Aug 2019 16:20)
Stories about a good guy with a gun don't make national headlines because it doesn't sell especially if simply possessing the gun is enough to stop the threat and no one gets hurt.


But we would know since a while if "good guy with a gun" was a realistic factor.
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Aug 11 2019 08:38am
Quote (fender @ Aug 11 2019 07:31am)
again, pure dodging and some slippery slopes to 'justify' ignoring the thousands of innocent people dying each year.

your best 'argument' is purely hypothetical, i'm talking about NOW, the real world, in which poor people disproportionally suffer under gun violence.

the truth is that you just can't answer these simple questions:

- how do you think guns 'protect the poor', when in fact they suffer the most under america's gun obsession?
- how would gun registration be a 'direct assault' on mental health progress?


There is not point answering your questions because you do not listen, you talk at people not to them.

Multiple times you came at me with NRA talking points even though multiple times you were told I've never had anything to do with the NRA

Multiple times you've lumped me in with your perceived right wing gun nuts and right wing talking points even though I'm clearly and consistently on the left and have told you multiple times I do not own firearms and I support the right and have no affection for guns or any weapons.

Multiple times you've said that I dont care about those people that were killed despite years and years of me being an openly bleeding heart liberal that does show respect for life and respect for those lost and have a very consistent anti violence outside of self defense posting record.

There is a reason I'm not one of the people that goes back and forth with you regularly because you do not have any interest in listening to people but more importantly in being honest with the views you are repeatedly told by the people you're arguing with
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