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Mar 5 2019 04:07am
Quote (ChivasRegal @ Mar 5 2019 10:16am)
still incorrect


That's quite funny.



On topic: I don't get why LBGT people still want to get married in churches that obviously reject them. Well, honestly, I don't get why people want to get married at all, but that's another discussion.

Why not start The Gay Church of Christ or something?
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Mar 5 2019 05:26am
Quote (BrendanSchaub @ Mar 5 2019 05:07am)
That's quite funny.



On topic: I don't get why LBGT people still want to get married in churches that obviously reject them. Well, honestly, I don't get why people want to get married at all, but that's another discussion.

Why not start The Gay Church of Christ or something?


Catholic Church for the most part already is the latter , just not with consenting adults.
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Mar 5 2019 05:42am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Mar 4 2019 06:56pm)
The Bible sets out a moral framework for it's believers. It sets roles for the genders. It lays out how to live one's life. And none of what it lays out is tolerant of alternative lifestyle. Don't forget, LGBTQ is the alternative lifestyle, not the other way around. It should be no surprise that the overwhelming majority of the church is NOT going to bow to the progressive stack, when they feel doing so would be immoral. Keeping in mind that they have both the right to practice their religion as they see fit, and the right to freedom of association, it's their choice. And it's NOT unique.

Not a single Abrahamic religion allows for alternative lifestyle. Not Christianity, not Islam, not Judaism. With Christianity, alternative lifestyles are to be left alone. AKA not participated in, but not judged or denounced or outlawed. You are free to do whatever you want. And, given the church's main goal is to save souls (in theory at least), they will not actively prevent alternative lifestyle folks from participating. They want to convince them to join them, and cast away their "sinful life". But allowing those who actively and openly practice an alternative lifestyle into the clergy/priesthood? How can you have the people who're preaching how to live a moral life be actively and openly living what your holy books dictate is an immoral and sinful life?

Judaism in this age takes a relatively similar approach. Though in orthodox Jewish communities, if you practice an alternative lifestyle, you may be considered no longer a Jew. There's no penalty other than being outcast from the othodoxy, and there are other Jewish communities that will accept you. But essentially, the split is pretty specific in it's agreement with Christianity.

Islam is openly hostile to alternative lifestyles. They're considered criminal in 10 of the 18 Islamic nations, and those who lead an alternative lifestyle have fewer rights, and often suffer mob violence in the other 8. Indeed, a lot of their limited rights status is intended to restrict their movement and ability to interact in the community, so that they WON'T be attacked by enraged mobs. Based on comments and teachings of many leading figures within the US Muslim population indicate that they have an equal intolerance for alternative lifestyles, though not, to date, the same willingness to attempt to murder those who practice that lifestyle.

Keeping in mind, that between Christianity and Islam, you're looking at between 3 and 3.5 billion people on the planet, and Christianity is only slowly shrinking, and Islam is growing like a wildfire...

I support people's right to live however the fuck they want. I ALSO support the church's right to prevent their leadership positions to be occupied by those they consider to be living in open and active sin. I can disagree with their viewpoint, but it's their religion, their choice.



There is open slavery being practiced in multiple Islamic nations. Today. The Quran and Hadiths outline how a slave can be taken, and how a slave is to be treated. In over 1400 years, Islam has not managed to reform enough to come to the conclusion wholesale that slavery is immoral. Yet you somehow believe that in 50-100 years, Christianity is going to accept alternative lifestyles?


We are talking about Christianity not Islam.

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...when all peoples consider that we are the children of one God, intolerance on the planet will end.
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Catholic Church for the most part already is the latter , just not with consenting adults.


:rofl:
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Mar 5 2019 07:15am
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...when all peoples consider that we are the children of one God, intolerance on the planet will end.


or that we are all life and that existence has value whether it's white, black, brown,deformed , straight, gay, trans, disabled, abled , addicted, sober, troubled, ill, religious or not religious

The churches and believers can follow the words of their Gods how they wish but history in the united states doesn't look kindly on those that wish to segregate and demonize for those Gods

Pews are full of cherry pickers and some cherries will come at a congregation cost as it should.
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or that we are all life and that existence has value whether it's white, black, brown,deformed , straight, gay, trans, disabled, abled , addicted, sober, troubled, ill, religious or not religious

The churches and believers can follow the words of their Gods how they wish but history in the united states doesn't look kindly on those that wish to segregate and demonize for those Gods

Pews are full of cherry pickers and some cherries will come at a congregation cost as it should.


Every process of change requires painful situations.
History has always shown this to us, that after extreme cases, the change to good happens.
A country like the USA that has evolved intellectually very fast, is certainly moving towards moral conscience, ruling the law of love.
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Mar 5 2019 07:38am
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Of Democrats in the early to mid 1900s sure

Were gonna see a similar thing with gay marriage. The new generations dont see anything wrong with it and that will reflect in the religion of the future


I understand people sincerely believe this... but scripture really doesn't leave any wiggle room on this issue. Unless you take the liberal Christian approach of having an extremely low view of scripture, and think that some of the moral teaching included is just the backwards ideas of the time.

Also, if Christian teaching just moves with the times, why haven't any churches moved on pre-marital sex? Society started abandoning that moral viewpoint 50+ years ago... yet there's no sign of movement from practically any Christians.

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Quote (IceMage @ Mar 5 2019 07:38am)
I understand people sincerely believe this... but scripture really doesn't leave any wiggle room on this issue. Unless you take the liberal Christian approach of having an extremely low view of scripture, and think that some of the moral teaching included is just the backwards ideas of the time.

Also, if Christian teaching just moves with the times, why haven't any churches moved on pre-marital sex? Society started abandoning that moral viewpoint 50+ years ago... yet there's no sign of movement from practically any Christians.


Weve seen christian movement on several issues. The bibke leaves no wiggle room on the endorsement of slavery and how it should be carried out yet here we are. Theres others but thats just the easiest and a more modern example.

Id also say that Christians have adopted a much more liberal view of sex over time. Maybe not on paper but definitely among the congregations whether they admit it or not.
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Mar 5 2019 08:15am
Quote (Skinned @ Mar 5 2019 04:42am)
We are talking about Christianity not Islam.


I can talk about whatever the fuck I want. A church is a church is a church. Islam exists too, and is held to a lower standard, why?

Both are Abrahamic religions. Both hold to the same core teachings (the dead sea scrolls) and both are intolerant of the same things.

Islam just takes it 10 steps farther. Yet here we are pointing the finger at Christians, for being "intolerant".

No. They just don't want alternative lifestyles in the leadership roles that preach how to lead a sin-free life.

Intolerance is hanging gays from cranes.

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