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Defense spending is five times less than welfare spending in the US gov.


Luckily Trump combines the worst qualities from the left and the right... he won't cut either!
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i'll take nonsequitor anecdotes because i've got fuckall else at this point, for 1000, alex.

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this is a feelings thread sir, more factual posts will be reported directly to a JR mod, you've been warned.

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Quote (EndlessSky @ Jan 16 2019 11:52am)
Defense spending is five times less than welfare spending in the US gov.


Three times, not five.

https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-federal-budget-breakdown-3305789

Edit: Unless you're only referring to the base DoD budget, which is not all of the military spending we do in a year

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Luckily Trump combines the worst qualities from the left and the right... he won't cut either!


It is a flaw, at least he is raising the revenue at the same time. He can partially blame lack of votes but he hasn't brought the case to the people which is inevitable.
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i run into this issue regularly on PARD when i try to provide a perspective that isn't mine or context of reality, it gets taken for support every time.

MAYBE Beto is a globalist hawk, or maybe he's simply looking at reality. We have a country that is in many ways arguably outside the scope of the constitution. we have skirted that by accepting property from countries and just applying our own constitution to the square block of w/e the embassy sits on. but that's far from a perfect system.

to close, as i know you're focused on Chinese intellectual property theft, out constitution gives us zero power to do anything directly with foreign trade partners like China. there are only 3 solutions, annex china, indirectly steer them in the right direction through trade levies, or both nations become partially subservient to a board like the UN that oversees such matters that can apply direct penalties.

i dont need evidence because im not making a biased claim based on 2 small phrases from a single part of a single interview in text form, fender.



you're just not a dog man, u can't hear the whistle.....


One only has to look at his compadres and tell how he will vote on the issues. The mainstream Democratic party is run by hawks, this is news to no one, so why would I expect a D frontrunner to have some other viewpoint? At some point, he will show his hand but I won't be petty and tell you I told you so.

As far as the China stuff the problem with WTO, UN & other international mechanisms is they take eons. Proving IP theft in an international court of law when the other party will send an army of lawyers, then there's the back and forth, it's honestly a colossal waste of time often yielding very little.

Tariffs have been used multiple times in our history and were the norm for many years. Even one of our most recent trade disputes with China in the 1990s was resolved because of the threat of tariffs vs China. To me, tariffs aren't the goal, they are a mean to achieve the goal. We can pretend China is not stealing IP, we can pretend they aren't manipulating their currency, we can take it to international mechanisms which are ineffective and slow or we can do what Trump is doing.
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It is a flaw, at least he is raising the revenue at the same time. He can partially blame lack of votes but he hasn't brought the case to the people which is inevitable.


He promised not to do it during the campaign.
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It is a flaw, at least he is raising the revenue at the same time. He can partially blame lack of votes but he hasn't brought the case to the people which is inevitable.


his tax cut likely reduced revenues. im sure you know that.

most of hte year of production was already planned out before the cuts were announced, we'd been operating on deregulation promises for 2 years at that point in the production industry. most major corps were happy to set the status quo along those lines and take a marginal loss to get ready. most didn't think it would take 2 years, it did, which is great. but the narrative that production is due to the tax cut implicitly is not true, only a marginal amount of the production was directly based on the tax cut. at least for mega corporations like P&G, Kraft, Johnsonville, etc that ive been talking to for years.

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We can pretend China is not stealing IP, we can pretend they aren't manipulating their currency, we can take it to international mechanisms which are ineffective and slow or we can do what Trump is doing.


i edited out the rest because it didnt even begin to address what i said and resembled fender's wild speculation and assumed intent so bad i thought i'd give you a chance to edit it out entirely.

but i decided to keep the worst false binary of the day in case it makes the yearly awards thread.

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his tax cut likely reduced revenues. im sure you know that.

most of hte year of production was already planned out before the cuts were announced, we'd been operating on deregulation promises for 2 years at that point in the production industry. most major corps were happy to set the status quo along those lines and take a marginal loss to get ready. most didn't think it would take 2 years, it did, which is great. but the narrative that production is due to the tax cut implicitly is not true, only a marginal amount of the production was directly based on the tax cut. at least for mega corporations like P&G, Kraft, Johnsonville, etc that ive been talking to for years.



i edited out the rest because it didnt even begin to address what i said and resembled fender's wild speculation and assumed intent so bad i thought i'd give you a chance to edit it out entirely.

but i decided to keep the worst false binary of the day in case it makes the yearly awards thread.


All the Dems crying Russia bad must help Ukraine militarily, all of them crying Assad bad, must send troops & arms, all crying Trump bad for wanting to bring troops home from Syria, but yes Beto will break ranks and all of the sudden not be a hawk. Yes, truly fendersque deduction on my part :rolleyes:
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All the Dems crying Russia bad must help Ukraine militarily, all of them crying Assad bad, must send troops & arms, all crying Trump bad for wanting to bring troops home from Syria, but yes Beto will break ranks and all of the sudden not be a hawk. Yes, truly fendersque deduction on my part :rolleyes:


if you were less literal when cornered i'd let you off the hook. but you're just like the rest, you get semantic when you need to and you get as vague as you can when needed.

we all do it, feel free to point out when i have jack shit other than vague party trend lines and am wildly speculating.

if you want to stay true to fender form make sure to respond with a 12 hour project of analyzing your posts for proof of my claims. then call me a dodger.



the basic point is that any non-hawk could recognize the same reality, given that we're talking about the voracity of the US constitution which doesn't address the globalized modern times. you eluding to parties is just a white flag tbh. i thought you'd get it with China globalism, but rather than recognizing it as an example of the context extending beyond partisanship you went on a tangent.

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