Is it Christ's message to overthrow the established political order?

The question isn't whether or not slavery should exist, but how the slave should react to his condition.

It is known.

Dude could have got a hell of a lot more followers hatching dragons than turning water into wine.



i hate the silly atheist view here, it's not pragmatic. slavery existed long before Christianity, and so Christianity's supposed "support" of it is moot. as you say, it is how the slave should react to his/her own situation.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Dec 13 2018 08:07am

If there were other places in the bible that said slavery wasnt okay then you would have support for this view, but its the exact opposite.




Never forget everything Hitler did was legal

-MLK

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Dec 13 2018 10:26am

10 I appeal to you for my child Onesimus, whom I have begotten in my imprisonment, 11 who formerly was useless to you, but now is useful both to you and to me. 12 I have sent him back to you in person, that is, sending my very heart, 13 whom I wished to keep with me, so that on your behalf he might minister to me in my imprisonment for the gospel; 14 but without your consent I did not want to do anything, so that your goodness would not be, in effect, by compulsion but of your own free will. 15 For perhaps he was for this reason separated from you for a while, that you would have him back forever, 16 no longer as a slave, but more than a slave, a beloved brother, especially to me, but how much more to you, both in the flesh and in the Lord.

17 If then you regard me a partner, accept him as you would me. 18 But if he has wronged you in any way or owes you anything, charge that to my account; 19 I, Paul, am writing this with my own hand, I will repay it (not to mention to you that you owe to me even your own self as well). 20 Yes, brother, let me benefit from you in the Lord; refresh my heart in Christ.

Ephesians 6
5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.

9 And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.

This post was edited by IceMage on Dec 13 2018 10:48am

the bible wasn't written for every passage to stand the test of time. there's a reason the doctrine was formed, is updated as needed, etc. How god would instruct someone in the year 100 bc and how go would instruct someone in 2018 aren't the same, and the teachings that were taken from the doctrine reflect this. none of the passages about slavery are in the doctrine or have the context altered to instruct with new lessons applicable to today.

the irony here is that atheists rail against Islam for being too violent and then rail against Christianity for not supporting violent uprisings of populations of enslaved people that pre-date the bible. pick a fucking lane you neckbeared godless heathens.

Hey slaves, obey your masters no matter how bad they are.

Hey masters, be nice, but slaves still obey no matter how much the masters disobey that last order.

This passage validates the slave master relationship on the basis that in heaven slaves will be treated better. Why dont you just own up to the bible being pro slavery? It gives you an easy way to ease your cognitive dissonance right in the passage.



Then just open with "I don't take the majority Christian view, that the Bible hands down the ultimate moral code".

Still, that really minimizes God. He's powerful, yet can't do what a Kindergarten teacher does. It's not hard to teach people to be better when you have the resources and knowledge to do so.

Those "Atheists" and their one, unified, perfectly homogeneous beliefs.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Dec 13 2018 10:58am

This is definitely so. He’s just baiting.

My response: you can’t cherrypick. You need the entire context. Additionally, there are some cultural and linguistical meanings that were lost through translation.

/threadclose

instruction of society changes (for religious and atheists alike) over time given the advancement of society. the only way for god to hand down instruction that stands the test of time is to freeze the advancement of human kind.

to suggest that the areligious have a unified moral code given time is rank lunacy. just the invention of the internet alone proves everyone's moral code needs adjusting.

I don't read it that way. By Paul saying that God views the master and the slave on the same level, he's essentially undermining the institution of slavery. Society certainly didn't view masters and slaves equally. He does the same thing in Philemon, where he suggests Onesimus be viewed as a brother in Christ, not a slave.

This post was edited by IceMage on Dec 13 2018 11:09am