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Jul 11 2018 09:56am
Quote (Knoppie @ 11 Jul 2018 17:48)
It's more than enough time with our current physics to make fossil fuel, the supplement. Getting rid of it completely, will need some breakthroughs :D


i agree, fossil fuel should be for mobility until we can manage otherwise, renewable for minor local production and nuclear power for the rest

unfortunately too many uneducated people dont realise that you could turn the entire country into a solar panel and it wouldnt work
i wish the fusion reactor projects could get the money they need, its our best hope to solve our problems

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Jul 11 2018 09:57am
Quote (fender @ Jul 11 2018 09:42am)
omg, i guess we're lucky merkel 'didn't wear a suicide vest'!!!1!

as much as i hate the russian government, they are most definitely a more reliable trading partner than america these days. not that there was a realistic alternative - last time i checked there was no transatlantic gas pipeline, unpaid goom-shill...


darn, its a real shame nobody ever invented a means of liquefying natural gas to occupy 1/600 the volume, then ship it overseas and regasify it at the destination.
if such a fantasyland hypothetical technology were to exist, it would be a capital-intense method of transportation that is more economical for long distance overseas transport than prohibitively sized pipelines but more expensive than short range pipelines, thereby being uncompetitive with Russian gas pumped directly to europe. Of course, that's all nonsense because the only way in the whole world to move gas from point a to point b is via pipeline. everyone knows that.
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Jul 11 2018 09:58am
Quote (Knoppie @ 11 Jul 2018 16:48)
It's more than enough time with our current physics to make fossil fuel, the supplement. Getting rid of it completely, will need some breakthroughs :D



Liquefied transported on ships... (obviously not the best solution :D )


oh, it's a good solution actually. a safe one. it has some major drawbacks though: capacity and price. so yeah, not even remotely realistic as a replacement...
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Jul 11 2018 10:00am
Quote (Goomshill @ 11 Jul 2018 17:57)
darn, its a real shame nobody ever invented a means of liquefying natural gas to occupy 1/600 the volume, then ship it overseas and regasify it at the destination.
if such a fantasyland hypothetical technology were to exist, it would be a capital-intense method of transportation that is more economical for long distance overseas transport than prohibitively sized pipelines but more expensive than short range pipelines, thereby being uncompetitive with Russian gas pumped directly to europe. Of course, that's all nonsense because the only way in the whole world to move gas from point a to point b is via pipeline. everyone knows that.


yeah its a great solution to burn even more fossil fuels (these ships cause more pollution than hundreds of thousands of cars and trucks) to carry some gas from one place to another, really awesome
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Jul 11 2018 10:03am
Quote (fender @ Jul 11 2018 09:58am)
oh, it's a good solution actually. a safe one. it has some major drawbacks though: capacity and price. so yeah, not even remotely realistic as a replacement...


yeah, the americans could never possibly supply the energy needs of germany with expensive low capacity shipping methods to undermine the russian stranglehold
trying to supply a european country with a fleet of FLNG ships and building regasification facilities? That's nutty. It would be like trying to keep Berlin warm through a winter by shipping 9,000 tons of supplies in a day on cargo aircraft
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Jul 11 2018 10:18am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 11 2018 05:03pm)
yeah, the americans could never possibly supply the energy needs of germany with expensive low capacity shipping methods to undermine the russian stranglehold
trying to supply a european country with a fleet of FLNG ships and building regasification facilities? That's nutty. It would be like trying to keep Berlin warm through a winter by shipping 9,000 tons of supplies in a day on cargo aircraft


Gooms, we'll consider your gas when you offer it at a better price. :D
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Jul 11 2018 10:24am
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darn, its a real shame nobody ever invented a means of liquefying natural gas to occupy 1/600 the volume, then ship it overseas and regasify it at the destination.
if such a fantasyland hypothetical technology were to exist, it would be a capital-intense method of transportation that is more economical for long distance overseas transport than prohibitively sized pipelines but more expensive than short range pipelines, thereby being uncompetitive with Russian gas pumped directly to europe. Of course, that's all nonsense because the only way in the whole world to move gas from point a to point b is via pipeline. everyone knows that.


learn to read full sentences, the problem is 'realistic' alternatives - and again, these days i would most definitely not want to establish new trade that is so crucial with america - who knows what the unreliable madman in office would do if he learns that he can't win his ridiculous tradewar...

Quote (Goomshill @ 11 Jul 2018 17:03)
yeah, the americans could never possibly supply the energy needs of germany with expensive low capacity shipping methods to undermine the russian stranglehold
trying to supply a european country with a fleet of FLNG ships and building regasification facilities? That's nutty. It would be like trying to keep Berlin warm through a winter by shipping 9,000 tons of supplies in a day on cargo aircraft


holy shit, you're actually comparing the berlin airlift, supplying 2 million people for less than a year during a severe political crisis, to economically viable alternatives when it comes to the energy supply of more than 80 million people? seriously, how desperate and dishonest can you be?
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Jul 11 2018 10:28am
Quote (IceMage @ Jul 11 2018 05:43am)
Shaming our allies publicly for having working relationships with Russia... something Trump claims would be a good thing for our country and the world. Weird stuff... just completely incoherent.


One thing we can count on for consistency is that Icemage will be crying about Trump regardless.

Lets think about this for a second, if Trump was some Russian plug that's being controlled by the Kremlin, like so many of you believe, do you think he would bring this issue up? I mean you understand that him calling Germany out for this is not good for Russia right?

What's incoherent is your perspective on what we should do with Russia. One minute you want sanctions, us to take a tough line against them and so on, the next your critical of rhetoric that actually might budge our allies to a tougher line towards them.
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Jul 11 2018 10:39am
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One thing we can count on for consistency is that Icemage will be crying about Trump regardless.

Lets think about this for a second, if Trump was some Russian plug that's being controlled by the Kremlin, like so many of you believe, do you think he would bring this issue up? I mean you understand that him calling Germany out for this is not good for Russia right?

What's incoherent is your perspective on what we should do with Russia. One minute you want sanctions, us to take a tough line against them and so on, the next your critical of rhetoric that actually might budge our allies to a tougher line towards them.


right, let's just pretend like america wasn't aggressively trying to expand its gas exports to europe for a while now... trump's true motive is to be tough on russia... owait, he has a history of being the exact opposite:

- trump defied congress, which voted almost unanimously for new sanctions against russia, for months
- he also walked back nikki haley's sanction threats against russia
- when asked by o'reilly why he respects putin even though he is a 'killer' (talking about the murdered critical journalists and opposition leaders), trump, the president of the united states of america, deflected by saying 'well, there are a lot of killers - do you think our country is so innocent?'
- he publicly stated that he believed putin did not meddle with america's elections despite overwhelming evidence they did
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Quote (ofthevoid @ Jul 11 2018 11:28am)
One thing we can count on for consistency is that Icemage will be crying about Trump regardless.

Lets think about this for a second, if Trump was some Russian plug that's being controlled by the Kremlin, like so many of you believe, do you think he would bring this issue up? I mean you understand that him calling Germany out for this is not good for Russia right?

What's incoherent is your perspective on what we should do with Russia. One minute you want sanctions, us to take a tough line against them and so on, the next your critical of rhetoric that actually might budge our allies to a tougher line towards them.


Are you able to make a single post without acting like a whiny little bitch? Grow up and learn to discuss topics like an adult.

My point was that Trump's rhetoric is inconsistent. One minute he's saying we should be friends with Russia, Putin is fine, let Russia back into G7, and the next minute he's criticizing Germany for strengthening their economic ties to Russia. I never offered my opinion on the validity of his criticism.
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