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Jul 3 2018 09:58pm
Straight from the ICA Source:
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"We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in
2016 aimed at the U.S. presidential election. Russia's goals were to undermine
public faith in the U.S. democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm
her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian
Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump."

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"We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect
Trump's election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and
publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him."

Source: https://www.burr.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/SSCI%20ICA%20ASSESSMENT_FINALJULY3.pdf

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Today, the US Senate Select Committee on Intelligence released their overall judgments issued in the ICA and found they were "well-supported and the tradecraft was strong."
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"The Committee has spent the last 16 months reviewing the sources, tradecraft and analytic work underpinning the Intelligence Community Assessment and sees no reason to dispute the conclusions." - Chairman Richard Burr (R-NC)

Source: https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/press/intel-committee-releases-unclassified-summary-initial-findings-2017-intelligence-community

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It's becoming harder and harder to deny that Russia influenced the 2016 US election to hurt Hillary Clinton and help Donald Trump, unless you dispute the validity of the intelligence committee assessment and/or the Republican-led US Senate Select Committee on Intelligence's findings.
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Jul 3 2018 10:00pm
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Thanks for proving my point (and you didn't deny that Putin would want to help trump), Trump is king of spreading disinformation.

Bold made me chuckle, i'll give you credit that was kinda funny.


Youre beyond the realm of logic. Youll make whatever conclusion you want to make at this point because you have so much invested in it

Putin chose whatever he thought would cause the most chaos. He had no personal stake in Trump winning. Trump has put countless sanctions on Russia as a result. If Putin did want Trump to win, it definitely didn't pay off for Putin

Right now you are Putin's useful idiot and you will be so long as you use this as a wedge issue instead of a learning experience

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Youre beyond the realm of logic. Youll make whatever conclusion you want to make at this point because you have so much invested in it

Putin chose whatever he thought would cause the most chaos. He had no personal stake in Trump winning. Trump has put countless sanctions on Russia as a result. If Putin did want Trump to win, it definitely didn't pay off for Putin

Right now you are Putin's useful idiot and you will be so long as you use this as a wedge issue instead of a learning experience


ICA: "We further assess Putin and the Russian government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump."

Senate Intelligence Committee: "The Committee has spent the last 16 months reviewing the sources, tradecraft and analytic work underpinning the Intelligence Community Assessment and sees no reason to dispute the conclusions."

https://www.burr.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/SSCI%20ICA%20ASSESSMENT_FINALJULY3.pdf

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/press/intel-committee-releases-unclassified-summary-initial-findings-2017-intelligence-community
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Jul 3 2018 10:07pm
IF Russia did meddle with the election (via social media), then the American people have only themselves to blame for falling for it.

Not to mention the fact, that knowledge Russia meddled was made public 6 months ago. Remember social media giants getting yelled at by Congress, and having to have proof of who buys ads or makes accounts now.
I just love how ya all make it sound like this is new info.

This post was edited by Ghot on Jul 3 2018 10:08pm
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Quote (ThatAlex @ Jul 4 2018 12:03am)
ICA: "We further assess Putin and the Russian government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump."

Senate Intelligence Committee: "The Committee has spent the last 16 months reviewing the sources, tradecraft and analytic work underpinning the Intelligence Community Assessment and sees no reason to dispute the conclusions."

https://www.burr.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/SSCI%20ICA%20ASSESSMENT_FINALJULY3.pdf

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/press/intel-committee-releases-unclassified-summary-initial-findings-2017-intelligence-community


What is your point. We both just said the same thing
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Quote (EndlessSky @ Jul 4 2018 12:00am)
Youre beyond the realm of logic. Youll make whatever conclusion you want to make at this point because you have so much invested in it

Putin chose whatever he thought would cause the most chaos. He had no personal stake in Trump winning. Trump has put countless sanctions on Russia as a result. If Putin did want Trump to win, it definitely didn't pay off for Putin

Right now you are Putin's useful idiot and you will be so long as you use this as a wedge issue instead of a learning experience


How do you say that with a straight face... why were putin's oligarchs (plural) at Trumps inauguration events/fundraisers then?... please help me understand... any "sanctions" trump put on russia were not trump's merit, external forces put pressure in trump to act tough on russia...
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Quote (EndlessSky @ 3 Jul 2018 23:08)
What is your point. We both just said the same thing


Quote (EndlessSky @ 3 Jul 2018 23:00)
He had no personal stake in Trump winning.


False. Putin had a clear preference for President-elect Trump based on the ICA and Senate Intelligence Committee's reports.

Quote (Ghot @ 3 Jul 2018 23:07)
IF Russia did meddle with the election (via social media), then the American people have only themselves to blame for falling for it.

Not to mention the fact that the fact that Russia meddled was made public 6 months ago. Remember social media giants getting yelled at by Congress, and having to have proof of who buys ads or makes accounts now.
I just love how ya all make it sound like this is new info.


Everyone grab hold of some monkey bars and climb aboard the 23D mental gymnastics of the Russian meddling defense of Trump supporters:

Fake news, Russia didn't meddle in our election -> Maybe Russia meddled, but they didn't pick favorites, they just wanted chaos -> Maybe Russia meddled to hurt Clinton, but not necessarily because they wanted to help Trump -> Okay, Russia meddled to help Trump, but who cares? That's old news (YOU ARE HERE) -> Russian meddling in our election is actually a good thing, it helped elect Trump
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Quote (ThatAlex @ Jul 4 2018 12:43am)
False. Putin had a clear preference for President-elect Trump based on the ICA and Senate Intelligence Committee's reports.



Everyone grab hold of some monkey bars and climb aboard the 23D mental gymnastics of the Russian meddling defense of Trump supporters:

Fake news, Russia didn't meddle in our election -> Maybe Russia meddled, but they didn't pick favorites, they just wanted chaos -> Maybe Russia meddled to hurt Clinton, but not necessarily because they wanted to help Trump -> Okay, Russia meddled to help Trump, but who cares? That's old news (YOU ARE HERE) -> Russian meddling in our election is actually a good thing, it helped elect Trump


I said all that in posts #3 and #6. I'm positive this EndlessSky guy is just a devil's advocate type troll and only believes 50% of the stuff he posts.
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Jul 3 2018 10:54pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ Jul 4 2018 12:43am)
False. Putin had a clear preference for President-elect Trump based on the ICA and Senate Intelligence Committee's reports.


Youre infantile and at this point youre not even reading my posts

This has been known for two years and youve only found a pattern, not the motive and definitely not collusion

Quote (Horford @ Jul 4 2018 12:45am)
I said all that in posts #3 and #6. I'm positive this EndlessSky guy is just a devil's advocate type troll and only believes 50% of the stuff he posts.


So mad :rofl:
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Jul 3 2018 10:56pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ Jul 3 2018 10:43pm)
False. Putin had a clear preference for President-elect Trump based on the ICA and Senate Intelligence Committee's reports.



Everyone grab hold of some monkey bars and climb aboard the 23D mental gymnastics of the Russian meddling defense of Trump supporters:

Fake news, Russia didn't meddle in our election -> Maybe Russia meddled, but they didn't pick favorites, they just wanted chaos -> Maybe Russia meddled to hurt Clinton, but not necessarily because they wanted to help Trump -> Okay, Russia meddled to help Trump, but who cares? That's old news (YOU ARE HERE) -> Russian meddling in our election is actually a good thing, it helped elect Trump


Weirdly reminiscent of the global warming playbook

Global warming isn't real > Okay, it's real, but it's not caused by people > okay, it's caused by people, but it's good! > okay, it's probably not going to be good, but it's not like we can do anything about it > contd.

Quote (EndlessSky @ Jul 3 2018 10:54pm)
Youre infantile and at this point youre not even reading my posts

This has been known for two years and youve only found a pattern, not the motive and definitely not collusion


AND HE STICKS THE LANDING! WE HAVE A NEW MENTAL GYMNASTICS GOLD MEDALIST!

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jul 3 2018 10:57pm
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