Quote (IceMage @ Nov 23 2017 09:35am)
So that's a no?
I never claimed Western intelligence was objective, but I don't have some pro-Russian view that everything they say should be met with some paranoid level of skepticism.
Again, why do you care if Western intelligence says Russia did something? You'll just ramble about propaganda, military industrial complex, or whatever. You fall back on the stupid "we do it too!!!" talking point, even though the US doesn't interfere in the elections of other major powers like Russia does.
Lol claiming something is stupid doesn't actually make it true. It's a valid point that time after time you completely ignore because you have a western-centric perspective in which you give license to our guys to do wrongs but if someone like Russia does something you cry ad nauseam.
Did you have a problem when the NSA was collecting data (probably still do) on everyone and anyone or when they were spying on our closest allies?
Did you have a problem with the CIA giving care packages to "moderate rebels" that 5 seconds later would end up in the hands of Al-Nusra?
Did you have a problem with US interference in Brazil in which Rousseff got impeached and now their president is a ex CIA guy?
Did you have a problem with US collapsing Libya? Or Iraq? Causing a multitude of issue not only in the region but spilling over in Europe?
Did you have a problem with US interference in dozens of banana republics? You know why Iran hates us right? It's not because our "democracy and freedom"
Did you have a problem with US funding NGO's in Russia aimed precisely at challenging Putin's hold on power there?
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Did you have a problem with the Clinton foundation getting payed millions from the Qataris and other foreign entities? Did you know that the Clinton foundation donations plummeted after she lost the election? Do you understand what that means and what that implies those donations were for? Do you care? No you don't, because you aren't objective. Face it, the only reason why this "interference" is such a big deal to you is because your pony lost the race so now you're grasping at straws.
I keep saying this over and over, there are no good guys here, but you insist on having this naive black and white world perspective in which we are objectively good and Russia is objectively bad.