Quote (312 @ Apr 8 2016 01:03am)

(1) The point is you can't smooth the employment and market effects of a 100% increase to the minimum wage. It has never been done in the history of this country, and there is probably unforeseen fall out beyond the labor market and small business effects I laid out.

(2) Define "Tax loop hole," please. Is sheltering money in an investment property AVOIDING taxes? Yes. It is lawful. Congress grants a deduction for that purposefully, though. The line between a "loop hole" and "avoidance" is thinner than you think.

And guess what? Every time Congress taxes something new, a corporation may or may not find a way to avoid it. Is that wrong? No. Does it mean the Congress may want to close the hole? Perhaps.

No shit no one wants blatant "loop holes," where intended revenue is saved by corps. However, the law is the law -- there's lawyers in the world to help avoid them.

(3) Agreed. The Boston example is a good one. I think certain investment practices can probably be reigned in by better regulation (to avoid things like 2008). Regardless, I don't think Bernie appreciates corporations enough.

Quote (stupidkid282 @ Apr 7 2016 08:08pm)

corporations arent at fault for legally avoiding loops holes, thus loop holes of any kind, at any measure of wealth should be illegal.....

Quote (Brian_D @ 8 Apr 2016 10:55)

GTFO, Sanders for the win, had enough of the same old story.. that reason and that reason alone is enough to vote for him.

Quote (312 @ Apr 8 2016 01:10am)

A "loop hole" is a way a company or individual avoids paying taxes legally. It's called a "loop hole" because the avoidance was usually unintended, unexpected, or mistaken. Saying "loop holes" should be "illegal" is meaningless because a loop hole is by definition legal.

Quote (stupidkid282 @ Apr 7 2016 08:13pm)

:wallbash:

There should be no legal way to avoid paying taxes

Stop beating the bush.

Quote (312 @ Apr 8 2016 01:15am)

You avoid paying taxes every time you take a deduction (aka every American does it every year).

Quote (stupidkid282 @ 8 Apr 2016 11:13)

:wallbash:

There should be no legal way to avoid paying taxes

Stop beating the bush.

Quote (Hubris @ Apr 8 2016 01:21am)

Trump is the only one who understands what corporations need as incentive to have their corporate HQ listed as the USA for tax purposes, Bernie is an anti-corporate tool who will attempt to tax the shit out of any corporation or business that still lists USA as it's country for taxation.

Quote (312 @ Apr 7 2016 08:07pm)

Not a huge dem supporter, but how can you possibly want anyone else at this point?

Trump is totally incompetent, inexperienced, dumb on policy, arrogant and rude, egotistical, and seems to be a maniac. (I don't think I need to say much more...)

Cruzis a whacky fundamentalist with far-right positions (abolish the IRS? a flat-tax for EVERYTHING? Seriously?). No one that works with him likes him + the establishment is only getting behind him to stop Trump.

Sanders says a lot of things that liberals like but that are utterly ridiculous / pie-eyed (15$ min wage? Get real.) He doesn't have the political chops to compromise or cut deals. Also, he acts as if "millionaires and billionaires" don't contribute anything to society, and that "greed" is the only thing standing in the way of economic prosperity. It's a liberal cartoonish depiction of the country that rallies liberals but is dumb. Plus, he will divide the country even more.


By process of elimination that leavesClinton. I'm not saying she's a perfect specimen, but she is by far the most experienced and has demonstrated the ability to work with both political parties fairly positively.

In a perfect world, maybe the GOP puts forward a white knight at the convention -- but that seems unlikely at this point.


Talk me out of Hillary please. Who else can I possibly support???