Yeah none of these numbers mean anything without more information. Wooh 49% approve of the Taliban. How much do they know about the Taliban? What do they know about international politics? Raw numbers like these mean jack squat. I might just make a nice graphic for lazy thinker of the day award and start giving it out.

Thanks, these are the kind of criticisms I am hoping for more of.



I did not present these facts with a motive, I thought they are an interesting talking point. If you don't have any criticisms of substance then perhaps you should award the graphic to yourself.

This post was edited by Voyaging on Nov 20 2015 11:48am

Did they account for cell phones or are these the old Gallop hard-line tested polls we see so often?

And honestly, we have people in PaRD talk about nuking brown people, it doesn't surprise me that brown people talk about nuking white people too. White men are dangerous.

We have really militant groups of people of one type who hate people who are just like them (militantly them) of another type, while the vast majority of people just want to live their lives. How people answer on polls also has a lot to do with what people have seen or eaten or what is happening etc that day. Shitty day at work? "Death to Americans".

So people are self-centered, shitty, and myopic. When we start talking about their cultures we start talking about natural rights, gender oppression, and other aspects of bourgeois western morality.

And when it says 57% of all Muslims...how the fuck can they measure that? Did they just quiz every Muslim in India and that accounts for about 57% of them? Or was it just 57% of a sample some rich white people had to have collected by some employees of theirs. I don't think the opinions of "All the Muslims in the World" is something you can extrapolate using statistics or the central limit theorem....even the most adamant positivist must recognize this limit.

Also why does western justice, with its emphasis on spiritual, mental, and emotional punishment think it is more humane than corporal punishment seen in Islam?

This post was edited by Skinned on Nov 20 2015 11:48am

I wasn't referencing you

No one with a nuke talks about nuking anyone. People without control of nukes can talk all they want about who to nuke with very little real world effect.

49% do not approve of the Taliban. 13% approved and 1 in 4 said 'I don't know' which is not the same as 'refusing to answer'.

Even the language in the OP is skewed toward pushing a certain agenda and he later omitted the '1 in 4 didn't answer' and just left it at 51% disapprove in order to imply 49% did approve.

If you're actually interested in the facts then produce them as facts. Don't switch language around and omit data to push propaganda.

Disapppointed with OP. This shit is lazy as fuck. Copy/pasted from a right-wing website?

oh yes, believe me, polls can be fooled;
http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2007/unruh.html
You see that guy is the one that wrote article of your "Wenzel Strategies (2012):" ya you know one wheres "Sixty Percent of US Muslims Reject Freedom of Expression" no more no less

Btw a poll in france was done about -charlie hebdo and mohamed draws- and 42% of french citizen were agree sometimes the liberty of expression is going too far and should be limited. It up tp more than 50% when it's about social networks.
(http://www.lejdd.fr/Politique/Sondage-JDD-57-des-Francais-veulent-des-caricatures-mais-713532)

Conclusion from bigot logic telescope: All french are muslims !

Easy !

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Nov 20 2015 11:57am

None of the facts I presented are skewed, they are directly from the polls. It is not my fault you assume they intended to mean things that they don't.

It did not say "49% of Muslims approve of the Taliban", it said "51% disapprove of the Taliban", you are making the mistake of reading into it instead of remaining objective and reading carefully.

I guess it could've done without the "only" but that still doesn't change that they were presented accurately.

Omit data? I guess linking directly to the source wasn't enough?



The French thinking freedom of speech should be limited is far worse than being Muslim.

This post was edited by Voyaging on Nov 20 2015 12:01pm

I'll top it off by saying many of these studies are old as fuck now and were taken after major events and shifts in the Islamic world. A year after the invasion of Iraq ofc you're going to have more anti-Western sentiment. If you look at polls from the same time I'm pretty sure you'd see higher Western anti-government sentiment too.



You make this thread and accuse me of being unable to be objective?

Get out.



From your very first link. Why didn't you post that? Because it didn't fit the picture you were trying to paint. I'm not reading into shit. You made it perfectly clear what you were trying to say.

This post was edited by Scaly on Nov 20 2015 12:02pm

If you took a poll 2 months after 9-11 to figure out support for the war, even if you included that thousands of Iraqi and Afghani children would die, you would find scary numbers still in support.