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Jul 31 2015 02:18pm
Quote (Scaly @ Jul 31 2015 08:15pm)
1 they were all there, same time they claimed.

2 would work if two of these accounts hadn't been 'jesus said X then gave up the ghost'.

3 of course you cant. There isn't one. Except that someone was lying.


Gave up the ghost? Confused as to what that entails exactly....
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Jul 31 2015 02:20pm
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Gave up the ghost? Confused as to what that entails exactly....


Died.

Giving up the ghost = the soul leaving the body.
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Jul 31 2015 02:22pm
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Died.

Giving up the ghost = the soul leaving the body.


Oh, I see.

Well only explanation I have is that he was talking to them telepathically or it seemed that he was physically talking, but each one heard a different message, which I know sounds absurd, but I just don't understand why 3 of them would lie...
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Oh, I see.

Well only explanation I have is that he was talking to them telepathically or it seemed that he was physically talking, but each one heard a different message, which I know sounds absurd, but I just don't understand why 3 of them would lie...


Because they all wanted to write accounts of Jesus' last words but some or all of them never heard his last words and so made them up.
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Jul 31 2015 02:26pm
Quote (Scaly @ Jul 31 2015 08:23pm)
Because they all wanted to write accounts of Jesus' last words but some or all of them never heard his last words and so made them up.


That would be a bold but yet stupid move on their part. I mean, they saw Jesus and "know" God exists. So, they would get punished for it in the afterlife.

Shitty for the people in the future because no one will know which one was actually telling the truth (or like you said they all made it up)
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Jul 31 2015 02:42pm
1. Mary and Mary
2.Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do
Today you will be with me in paradise
Behold your son: behold your mother
My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
I thirst
It is finished
Father, into your hands I commit my spirit

3.No it opens upon the two Mary's arrival who are you trying t trick with this question?

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Matthew 28:1-8New International Version (NIV)
Jesus Has Risen

28 After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.

2 There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3 His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. 4 The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men.

5 The angel said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. 6 He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay. 7 Then go quickly and tell his disciples: ‘He has risen from the dead and is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him.’ Now I have told you.”

8 So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples.



To your follow up question why only look at the contradictions, why not look at all of the similarities with awe If you think the New Testament is fiction and the resurrection story is just a story, how
did four different men from different places and different walks of life ,get so many details of the gospels so similar?

Look deeper that Wiki when you look at religion, look at the disciples devotion to Christianity, The trials that Paul endured in the name of Christ and in the effort of bringing as many people he could to Christianity.



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Jul 31 2015 02:43pm
1. Mary and Mary
2.Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do
Today you will be with me in paradise
Behold your son: behold your mother
My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
I thirst
It is finished
Father, into your hands I commit my spirit

3.No it opens upon the two Mary's arrival who are you trying t trick with this question?

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Matthew 28:1-8New International Version (NIV)
Jesus Has Risen

28 After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.

2 There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3 His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. 4 The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men.

5 The angel said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. 6 He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay. 7 Then go quickly and tell his disciples: ‘He has risen from the dead and is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him.’ Now I have told you.”

8 So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples.



To your follow up question why only look at the contradictions, why not look at all of the similarities with awe If you think the New Testament is fiction and the resurrection story is just a story, how
did four different men from different places and different walks of life ,get so many details of the gospels so similar?

Look deeper that Wiki when you look at religion, look at the disciples devotion to Christianity, The trials that Paul endured in the name of Christ and in the effort of bringing as many people he could to Christianity.



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Jul 31 2015 03:06pm
Thread is lol. His followers made all this stuff up to get persecuted and many actually died for a lie? The logic is strong within you Padawan.
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Jul 31 2015 03:09pm
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His followers made all this stuff up to get persecuted and many actually died for a lie? The logic is strong within you Padawan.

yeah dude, Hong Xiuquan definitely was the brother of Jesus Christ.
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Jul 31 2015 03:22pm
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Thread is lol. His followers made all this stuff up to get persecuted and many actually died for a lie? The logic is strong within you Padawan.


I can't enforce anything in this topic, but I strongly encourage anyone commenting in the defense of Christianity/Bible to directly answer these three questions:

1) How many women came to the tomb? One (John)? Two (Matthew)? Three (Mark)? More (Luke)?

2) What were the last words of Jesus? Three gospels have three different accounts of his last words.

3) Was the tomb already open when they got there (Matthew indicates the tomb was open, the other three claim it was closed)?

If you do not wish to directly answer these questions, please post in another thread. Otherwise I and many others will assume you have no good explanation for the discrepancies. Thank you.
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