Quote (Voyaging @ Oct 2 2014 09:46pm)

They are completely separable, and the sign of a good mind is one that is able to do just that.

e/ note I'm not saying that feelings aren't important or that they aren't an aspect of intelligence, but there are situations where one can distance one's feelings from one's thoughts and this is often a very important skill

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Oct 2 2014 08:50pm)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_France



lol.


aborption is necessary, especially related to:

- mother took massive drugs and the baby will be fucking retarded/brain issues. - and similar social issues...
- diseases and/or malformations detected up to several weeks after conception. (trisomy etc)

- should i mention there is no more "natural" selection on births and genetical diseases are now able to stack way easier than in middle age ?


now we got ppl talking about 'sin with aborption' while they are openly supporting various wars actions killing thousands children.
those hypocrit morons.

Quote (killg0re @ 3 Oct 2014 03:55)

You're a constant reminder of the necessity of abortion, however it is Christine Young, even with mentally ill children being born.

Quote (IceMage @ Oct 2 2014 10:51pm)

That doesn't contradict what I posted.  You can identify why you feel a certain way about something, and whether that is right or wrong, but when both are in agreement time after time, you are confident in your opinion.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Oct 2 2014 07:47pm)

I think the best point to cut abortion off is when consciousness developes, whenever that may be (I think 23 weeks, like Roe V Wade said?).  If you have never been conscious a "you" can't really exist.  If a consciousness has not come to form there is no moral agent to wrong and so nothing "wrong" can happen to it.



No, it's abstinence.  For some reason you're promoting sin and carelessness that will result in millions of unwanted infections and births!

Quote (thundercock @ Oct 3 2014 12:03am)

The value of life seems to be on a spectrum since we tend to value sentience. In terms of brain development, there is very little difference between a 7 month old fetus and a 3 week newborn. Yet, you are allowed to abort the former but not "kill" the latter. The reason for this is because there is some value in letting a woman control her body. If we take that out of the equation for a moment, you'd be hard-pressed to come up with a definitivepoint of development that has value outside of conception or a beating heart.

Quote (Voyaging @ Oct 2 2014 08:11pm)

If we value sentience then a 3-week newborn is significantly less sentient than an adult cow, yet we systematically kill and eat adult cows.

Quote (thundercock @ Oct 3 2014 12:15am)

We do value the cow though. You can't abuse cows for shits and giggles. We just happen to value its meat more than its life.

Quote (Voyaging @ 2 Oct 2014 21:26)

I don't see how this is a coherent worldview.

Unless you are suggesting that killing and eating 3-week old newborns and 7-month old fetuses is morally acceptable (I'm aware that's not what you're implying and I don't mean any offense with this statement). We (and by "we" I mean "meat-eaters" of which I am not a member) value cow meat more than cow life because it's tasty. If humans are tasty, then it should also be morally permissible to kill and eat 3-week old newborns if we continue with this line of thought.