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Nov 18 2013 03:47am
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I watch people who say that they are free who drive around in their cars knowing that the only reason they are doing this is because they were granted permission from the government to use a car to travel , they take that car to a job where they had to use a Social security or Social insurance number to be able to get permission to work. That card and number then allows them to work, also allows the state to inform the tax collectors that you have made a certain amount of money for your labor that they now can take from you , those taxes that they take from you are now used to buy surveillance cameras and fund police departments that are in place to make sure that you follow the rules set up by the government that issued you permission to work in the first place.

You need a license to fish , to hunt , to get married, to run a business, to sell things , to use your car , to work in certain trades , and to run a farm .

You need a permit to use your car , to own a pet , to build onto your house , to own a gun, to use a gun, to help the needy and most disturbing of all to hold a protest or to congregate among your peers in public.

You are told to declare your earnings and file a tax return and you are told that you must fill out a census to inform on your family and friends.

You need to go through an indoctrination program called school which gives you a diploma so that you can get a higher level of indoctrination in college or university and without this certificate you are considered unemployable to those people who take your money in the form of taxation.

When you are born you are given a certificate to become a citizen and that certificate identifies you as a "person" who is "subject" to the laws and rules of that society .

If you choose to revoke these contracts with the government or question the motives of these contracts for any reason you will have police sent out to either assault you , fine you , steal from you , or worst case they will kill you .

If for any reason you decide to travel abroad and do not have a government issued passport or birth certificate or citizenship card with you as a good and obedient card carrying slave you will be denied your right to travel the world. If you do happen to have these things you will be insulted , interrogated, searched and scanned with radiation until those with perceived authority deem you worthy of travel. A perfect slave is allowed these concessions.

You are not allowed access to your own body in the way of health . If you wish to remain healthy on your own terms that is considered anti social behavior, The state requires that you inject poisons into your body , drink fluoride , and if you choose to use natural healing products to rid yourself of pesky diseases created by the governments own health agencies and policy like chemical aerosol spraying and GMO's. you will be arrested for using alternative natural methods such as cannabis, hemp, or if you promote raw foods or alternative treatments such as apricot kernels , DCA , or other things that the government does not want you to know about you will be put on a list of suspected terrorism and or raided in the middle of the night by mercenaries .

If you choose to oppose the war , If you speak out against government policy, the obvious lies of 911, or Israel you will be arrested for hate crimes or called anti-semitic or a racist and persecuted to the point of exile .



So you think you are free ? Think again .


so free
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Nov 18 2013 04:05am
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If you choose to revoke these contracts with the government or question the motives of these contracts for any reason you will have police sent out to either assault you , fine you , steal from you , or worst case they will kill you.


Yea bro, next time you don't renew your fucking PET OWNERSHIP LICENSE (LOL) the cops will come and murder you.

Quote (datajunky @ Nov 18 2013 12:55am)
You are not allowed access to your own body in the way of health . If you wish to remain healthy on your own terms that is considered anti social behavior, The state requires that you inject poisons into your body , drink fluoride , and if you choose to use natural healing products to rid yourself of pesky diseases created by the governments own health agencies and policy like chemical aerosol spraying and GMO's. you will be arrested for using alternative natural methods such as cannabis, hemp, or if you promote raw foods or alternative treatments such as apricot kernels , DCA , or other things that the government does not want you to know about you will be put on a list of suspected terrorism and or raided in the middle of the night by mercenaries .


Fucking apricot kernel raids man.

Also, yes vaccinations that have been empirically proven to prevent disease is "poison" but the fucking cyanide in apricot kernels isn't.

Quote (datajunky @ Nov 18 2013 12:55am)
If you choose to oppose the war , If you speak out against government policy, the obvious lies of 911, or Israel you will be arrested for hate crimes or called anti-semitic or a racist and persecuted to the point of exile .


Yeah shit, last time I spoke out against Obamacare they exiled me to Madagascar, fucking gobment man.



What in the actual fuck is going through your head that you can claim to be anything more than one of the dumbest primates to have ever existed?
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Nov 18 2013 04:21am
...ah , I remember the good old days when we were truly free ...free to work from sun up to sun down tilling the fields and sowing the crops and milking the cow and slopping the hogs , free to die from measles or chicken pox or tuberculosis or even gangrene from a simple cut , the freedom of cholera and yellow fever and polio and when leisure time was the 5 minute walk from the outhouse to the woodpile . Now that my friends was true freedom ( sigh )
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Nov 18 2013 05:18am
Lol. Not sure why I read this. But.it was great for a laugh
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Nov 18 2013 11:01am
true statements, im unsure on what i can do to change it, but nonetheless its true.

we may be technically free, but we are all in a form of bondage.

there are limits to our so called freedom, are limits needed?

without limits would there be chaos?

needing a licence to hunt and fish sucks, but the money is used to pay for the upkeep of the areas we use for such activities.

lots of interesting thoughts.
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Nov 18 2013 02:51pm
If you don't want to be part of society no one is forcing you to. Your free to go run around deep in the woods and try to provide for yourself if you'd like. You could also move to a different country, sure you may have to jump through some hoops like getting a passport but after that your free to leave. Or you could hop the border if you don't want to do that, they're probably not going to care if you illegally cross into Mexico.

There are certainly many controls in place still but you can't argue things haven't gotten better for the average person over the centuries.
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Nov 18 2013 10:54pm
You seem to forget that I am free to leave the country whenever I wish. I do not have to follow the rules


Also, I dont have a permet for my guns or my pets. I didnt even know ANYONE needed a permit for a pet?
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Nov 19 2013 12:45am
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Nov 18 2013 10:21am)
...ah , I remember the good old days when we were truly free ...free to work from sun up to sun down tilling the fields and sowing the crops and milking the cow and slopping the hogs , free to die from measles or chicken pox or tuberculosis or even gangrene from a simple cut , the freedom of cholera and yellow fever and polio and when leisure time was the 5 minute walk from the outhouse to the woodpile . Now that my friends was true freedom ( sigh )


not to mention "free" to have your neighbor come to your farm with a gun, and tell you that he just bought your farm...

I sure do miss the days of "freedom" when I could walk anywhere I damn well pleased and didn't need to use a government road or a car.... granted I could only go about 30 miles from my house in a lifetime but damnit I was free!!!

Data, I'm not sure if you're trolling or not.... but why don't you just, you know, leave civilization? Plenty of room up in Antarctica for ya... or sub-saharan Africa? you can be as free as you want there :)

I personally choose to drive my government licensed motorcycle... on government roads... whenever I want to, and go wherever I want to, and buy whatever I want to, all the while being almost as safe from violence as anyone sitting inside their house.
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Nov 19 2013 02:58am
I don't have a car. Come at me.
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Nov 19 2013 07:04am
Quote (datajunky @ Nov 17 2013 10:55pm)
I watch people who say that they are free who drive around in their cars knowing that the only reason they are doing this is because they were granted permission from the government to use a car to travel , they take that car to a job where they had to use a Social security or Social insurance number to be able to get permission to work. That card and number then allows them to work, also allows the state to inform the tax collectors that you have made a certain amount of money for your labor that they now can take from you , those taxes that they take from you are now used to buy surveillance cameras and fund police departments that are in place to make sure that you follow the rules set up by the government that issued you permission to work in the first place.

You need a license to fish , to hunt , to get married, to run a business, to sell things , to use your car , to work in certain trades , and to run a farm .

You need a permit to use your car , to own a pet , to build onto your house , to own a gun, to use a gun, to help the needy and most disturbing of all to hold a protest or to congregate among your peers in public.

You are told to declare your earnings and file a tax return and you are told that you must fill out a census to inform on your family and friends.

You need to go through an indoctrination program called school which gives you a diploma so that you can get a higher level of indoctrination in college or university and without this certificate you are considered unemployable to those people who take your money in the form of taxation.

When you are born you are given a certificate to become a citizen and that certificate identifies you as a "person" who is "subject" to the laws and rules of that society .

If you choose to revoke these contracts with the government or question the motives of these contracts for any reason you will have police sent out to either assault you , fine you , steal from you , or worst case they will kill you .

If for any reason you decide to travel abroad and do not have a government issued passport or birth certificate or citizenship card with you as a good and obedient card carrying slave you will be denied your right to travel the world. If you do happen to have these things you will be insulted , interrogated, searched and scanned with radiation until those with perceived authority deem you worthy of travel. A perfect slave is allowed these concessions.

You are not allowed access to your own body in the way of health . If you wish to remain healthy on your own terms that is considered anti social behavior, The state requires that you inject poisons into your body , drink fluoride , and if you choose to use natural healing products to rid yourself of pesky diseases created by the governments own health agencies and policy like chemical aerosol spraying and GMO's. you will be arrested for using alternative natural methods such as cannabis, hemp, or if you promote raw foods or alternative treatments such as apricot kernels , DCA , or other things that the government does not want you to know about you will be put on a list of suspected terrorism and or raided in the middle of the night by mercenaries .

If you choose to oppose the war , If you speak out against government policy, the obvious lies of 911, or Israel you will be arrested for hate crimes or called anti-semitic or a racist and persecuted to the point of exile .

So you think you are free ? Think again .


You only need permission to drive on the roads built by the public. You can drive on your own property all day and every day. You only need a Social Security number to enter into a working relationship with a government created entity (business). You can work for yourself all day and every day. The rules are for interactions with society. If you do not interact with society, you need not concern yourself with their rules. A quick Google search of the first state I found shows that you do not need a license to fish or hunt on your homestead (FL). You only need concern yourself with a marriage license if you are concerned about interacting with the laws of the land regarding said marriage (i.e. for tax purposes, next of kin determinations, divorce, etc). Nothing is stopping you from living as a married couple without it. Just don't expect many people who offer their services performing marriages to the public to perform your ceremony. You have to understand DataJunky that most everything you bitch about in the OP is false unless you wish to interact with society. If you find these rules for society are truly too onerous, there is nothing preventing you from doing as you wish, so long as you are doing it on your own. Have fun subsistence farming, but I think it's more efficient and advantageous to interact with society and to simply seek to limit what my be imposed on you.
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