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May 18 2013 10:13pm
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In my country a trade generally makes more money than a degree.


Yes, I have an aus friend who dropped out of high school and is on his way to becoming an electrician now.
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May 18 2013 10:30pm
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Yes, I have an aus friend who dropped out of high school and is on his way to becoming an electrician now.


My good friend aaron spent 4 years as an electrical apprentice, he made $155,000 after tax this year.
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May 19 2013 07:10am
Pretty good advice, not everyone's meant to go to college. Now we just need to bring back apprenticeships.

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May 19 2013 08:59am
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Found it,

http://i.imgur.com/KYnDNhe.jpg


I was like wtf! until i read the small print

Chart By;Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad


ok ok get it now.........

Trades pay really well and are a far better choice than wasting your $ on useless University(s) , once you get into the debt trap, your a slave to it.

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May 19 2013 10:48am
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Pretty good advice, not everyone's meant to go to college. Now we just need to bring back apprenticeships.


Hard to do with the attack on unions. The attack on unions is a direct attack on those blue collar professions as viable ways of making a life.
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May 19 2013 11:30am
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Hard to do with the attack on unions.  The attack on unions is a direct attack on those blue collar professions as viable ways of making a life.


Truth. Blue collar jobs should be middle class, but they get paid less to do more work as time goes on.
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May 19 2013 12:56pm
White collar mediocrity has replaced blue jobs, largely due to worker rights and breakthroughs made by organized labour.

You made your own grave with unions and now blue collar folk have to sleep there or find office jobs like everyone else transitioning into our stagnant service economy.

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May 19 2013 07:05pm
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I would hope they are a small population, I would also hope that demographics of any university would be very close to actual population but it isn't like that in the real world.


Why? I would hope academic credentials drive admissions regardless of general population demographics. If Asians and Jews applicants have better backgrounds on average, they should be overrepresented. Likewise, if African American or Caucasian applicants have worse backgrounds on average, I want them to be underrepresented.

Plus, it also depends on the demographics of applicants, which may not itself even reflect the general population.

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There is a fair amount of discrimination for elite colleges like that, different ethnic groups have varying standards needed to be accepted. Asians and Jews have a higher capacity for intelligence than other ethnic groups as well, considering that information, it should correlate that there would be a higher population in institutions of higher education. I think that is mostly true but with 65%+ of our society also being white, it would make sense to see a high representation of exceptional white folks and other groups.


It's unconstitutional, as was decided in I think a case involving Michigan's law school giving people "points" in a ranking system for choosing applicants based on their ethnicity. Maybe it happens, but I don't see evidence of this where you state it outright...
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May 19 2013 07:23pm
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Why? I would hope academic credentials drive admissions regardless of general population demographics. If Asians and Jews applicants have better backgrounds on average, they should be overrepresented. Likewise, if African American or Caucasian applicants have worse backgrounds on average, I want them to be underrepresented.

Plus, it also depends on the demographics of applicants, which may not itself even reflect the general population.



It's unconstitutional, as was decided in I think a case involving Michigan's law school giving people "points" in a ranking system for choosing applicants based on their ethnicity. Maybe it happens, but I don't see evidence of this where you state it outright...


I know it occurs, it is rare to have it all lined up beautifully so you can compare it. A nice place to start though is with medical school, a very rigorous field, I would want only the best to qualify for it to be honest. Here's some numbers,




There is definitely ethnic favoritism, it is probably by law though, I can't imagine someone willingly lowering their standards without a cult of diversity. Asians must have a lot of pressure on them to perform well, they can't rely on favoritism.
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