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Aug 15 2012 02:16pm
Quote (balrog66 @ Aug 15 2012 12:11pm)
Wait so ID's go by state? Why not have federal ID?


"Privacy concerns"

Quote (duffman316 @ Aug 15 2012 12:05pm)
again, if i believed this was legitimately about stopping voter fraud i wouldn't care

do you honestly believe that's the intent here?

didn't they do something similar a while back bumping eligible voters off the voters list in florida?


I honestly think that people are worried about another Bernie Sanders fiasco (where votes from convicted felons were counted). That election was really, really close and it gave the Dems a filibuster proof majority. Anyway, I don't find these laws draconian in anyway.
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Quote (thundercock @ Aug 15 2012 08:16pm)
"Privacy concerns"



I honestly think that people are worried about another Bernie Sanders fiasco (where votes from convicted felons were counted).  That election was really, really close and it gave the Dems a filibuster proof majority.  Anyway, I don't find these laws draconian in anyway.


Huh? Couldn't you make the same argument for state issued ID then? :/
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Aug 15 2012 02:26pm
Quote (balrog66 @ Aug 15 2012 04:17pm)
Huh? Couldn't you make the same argument for state issued ID then? :/


Clearly the cashier at 7/11 is violating my right to privacy when he cards me for those smokes. :p
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Aug 15 2012 02:28pm
Quote (balrog66 @ Aug 15 2012 12:17pm)
Huh? Couldn't you make the same argument for state issued ID then? :/


Well, each state has different laws. For example, as a Californian, I can't buy guns out of state. The other states refuse to sell guns to Californians. Also, there is the issue of residency in state elections. I'd argue that a state issued ID is necessary. Federal IDs, in my opinion, would be superfluous because it wouldn't help people vote anyway (why would a Nebraskan be allowed to vote in an Ohio election). Everything in America involving voting (including the election of the President) is done on the state level.
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Aug 15 2012 02:33pm
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Well, each state has different laws.  For example, as a Californian, I can't buy guns out of state.  The other states refuse to sell guns to Californians.  Also, there is the issue of residency in state elections.  I'd argue that a state issued ID is necessary.  Federal IDs, in my opinion, would be superfluous because it wouldn't help people vote anyway (why would a Nebraskan be allowed to vote in an Ohio election).  Everything in America involving voting (including the election of the President) is done on the state level.


Oops I forgot about your weird election system.
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Aug 15 2012 02:34pm
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Oops I forgot about your weird election system.


In theory it gives states, rather than raw population, more input on the presidential candidate.
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Aug 15 2012 02:36pm
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In theory it gives states, rather than raw population, more input on the presidential candidate.


Yeah I know what it is, just forgot about it :P

The whole issue with the US system is that the voting in many states is very predictable. So there are a few swing states and those are basically the focal point of campaigning, political news etc. I don't like that. As it stands you could argue a vote in a swing state is more valuable than a vote in a non-swing state.
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Yeah I know what it is, just forgot about it :P

The whole issue with the US system is that the voting in many states is very predictable. So there are a few swing states and those are basically the focal point of campaigning, political news etc. I don't like that. As it stands you could argue a vote in a swing state is more valuable than a vote in a non-swing state.


Without a doubt. But to change the vote to a populous system, we'd gain more individual power but states would lose power as a unit. I like the current system as a method of balancing the popular and state strengths.
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Aug 15 2012 02:42pm
Quote (balrog66 @ Aug 15 2012 03:36pm)
Yeah I know what it is, just forgot about it :P

The whole issue with the US system is that the voting in many states is very predictable. So there are a few swing states and those are basically the focal point of campaigning, political news etc. I don't like that. As it stands you could argue a vote in a swing state is more valuable than a vote in a non-swing state.


Not to mention some states have several times more electoral votes per capita than other states (up to 3.3 times more).
And each state has 2 senators regardless of size (California and Alaska both have 2 senators each..)
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Aug 15 2012 02:47pm
The ruling doesn't matter whatsoever, it was going to be appealed to the state Supreme Court regardless of what the ruling was. The judge didn't even rule on the actual content, only to say that the state legislature had the right to impose it provided they had cause. The appeal is just going to be a relitigation over whether or not that cause actually exists.

Quote (Arsenic_Touch @ Aug 15 2012 03:59pm)
It boggles the mind that it's not a requirement already given that you need an ID for everything else and I couldn't help but laugh when they said it'd hurt college students. Really? how the hell did they make it to college with no ID?


It will hurt college students, because in Pennsylvania specifically a college ID is invalid if it doesn't have a status or expiration date. If someone let their drivers license expire, or never got one in the first place, their student ID is unsatisfactory unless it fits in the narrow definition of what's acceptable according to this law. The same applies to state-issue medical IDs that the elderly are using. If they don't have the above dates printed on them, they aren't valid. Half of the people that belong to the "Pennsylvania Hall of Fame" (a quirky honor that they give you in the state if you vote in 50 elections in a row) currently are not allowed to vote because they've fallen into one of the many holes of this monstrosity.
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